Topic: Shigeru Kawai dropped
Thank you so much Modartt and all. Off to demo now!!!
Thank you so much Modartt and all. Off to demo now!!!
Wow, currently just listening to the audio demos admittedly but this sounds like it really is the best yet. I wasn't expecting that.
Maybe the little stereo smartphone speakers aren't the most revealing source but here it sounds completely real!
The space and airy treble clarity, the attack tone it's like the engine has been properly lifted to another level.
I suppose I should have reserved judgment for playing the thing myself, however all the audio demos sound brilliant, in the best sense!
As you suggested, I tried the new Kawai and I like it way better than the internal sounds in my new CA 701. It definitely sounds richer and more alive. I was blown away. I love my new Kawai piano. The action is remarkable. It gives me much better control, is more sensitive to dynamics, etc. But PTQ is incomparable, and indispensable to me.
As you suggested, I tried the new Kawai and I like it way better than the internal sounds in my new CA 701. It definitely sounds richer and more alive. I was blown away. I love my new Kawai piano. The action is remarkable. It gives me much better control, is more sensitive to dynamics, etc. But PTQ is incomparable, and indispensable to me.
This I'm pretty sure is going to be my favourite.
I've just uploaded an alternative FXP for this piano for a more obvious less subtle string pad sound. A bit more synth like, yet with more life in the sound.
The original preset is excellent, this is just an alternative edit some might like.
just puchased i play with it. Magical
Better than a Steinway : Bell Steinway Sound with Bosendorfer power, and CFX PPP
Improvement in high notes and attack.
My favorite with Vi labs Modern D. i will play all the night with it.
I just change hammer noise 1 to 1.30 and it's perfect, and instrument condition to 0.10
bravo
The demo mp3 was reduced.
This tells me they are updating fof new mp3 files....
Maybe more surprises are coming.
just puchased i play with it. Magical
Better than a Steinway : Bell Steinway Sound with Bosendorfer power, and CFX PPP
Improvement in high notes and attack.
My favorite with Vi labs Modern D. i will play all the night with it.
I just change hammer noise 1 to 1.30 and it's perfect, and instrument condition to 0.10
bravo
Please on witch preset do you make these modifications. My problem on pianoteq is the number of preset for each piano. I would like a standard preset for each piano with all same paramètres. Now Room or micro parameters are not the same for every Warm preset or for every player preset. It is very difficult for me to compare juste the pianos I mean.
Please on witch preset do you make these modifications. My problem on pianoteq is the number of preset for each piano. I would like a standard preset for each piano with all same paramètres. Now Room or micro parameters are not the same for every Warm preset or for every player preset. It is very difficult for me to compare juste the pianos I mean.
Yves, we could indeed make (our) life simpler and use for example the same mic settings for the "Warm" preset of all instruments. The problem is that it is usually not optimal: a given configuration which works well a piano does not necessarily work well for another piano. The same issue happens in real life. Why is it so? Simply because the acoustic fields generated by two different pianos are different. For that reason, for each instrument, we spend quite a lot of time for finding nice sounding mic settings. Something similar happens with the other parameters, and even the effects. That's (acoustic) life!
If you will not combine with sampled attack, but use just pianoteq alone for this model, this says something very positive.
just puchased i play with it. Magical
Better than a Steinway : Bell Steinway Sound with Bosendorfer power, and CFX PPP
Improvement in high notes and attack.
My favorite with Vi labs Modern D. i will play all the night with it.
I just change hammer noise 1 to 1.30 and it's perfect, and instrument condition to 0.10
bravo
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Olivier W wrote:just puchased i play with it. Magical
Better than a Steinway : Bell Steinway Sound with Bosendorfer power, and CFX PPP
Improvement in high notes and attack.
My favorite with Vi labs Modern D. i will play all the night with it.
I just change hammer noise 1 to 1.30 and it's perfect, and instrument condition to 0.10
bravo
Please on witch preset do you make these modifications. My problem on pianoteq is the number of preset for each piano. I would like a standard preset for each piano with all same paramètres. Now Room or micro parameters are not the same for every Warm preset or for every player preset. It is very difficult for me to compare juste the pianos I mean.
Shigeru Warm preset
If uou will not combine with sampled attack, but use just pianoteq alone for this model, this says something very positive.
Olivier W wrote:just puchased i play with it. Magical
Better than a Steinway : Bell Steinway Sound with Bosendorfer power, and CFX PPP
Improvement in high notes and attack.
My favorite with Vi labs Modern D. i will play all the night with it.
I just change hammer noise 1 to 1.30 and it's perfect, and instrument condition to 0.10
bravo
And i avoid to use the PTQ limiter : i change the volume and FFF are more natural. And i use LOGIC 11 limiter instead
YvesTh wrote:Please on witch preset do you make these modifications. My problem on pianoteq is the number of preset for each piano. I would like a standard preset for each piano with all same paramètres. Now Room or micro parameters are not the same for every Warm preset or for every player preset. It is very difficult for me to compare juste the pianos I mean.
Yves, we could indeed make (our) life simpler and use for example the same mic settings for the "Warm" preset of all instruments. The problem is that it is usually not optimal: a given configuration which works well a piano does not necessarily work well for another piano. The same issue happens in real life. Why is it so? Simply because the acoustic fields generated by two different pianos are different. For that reason, for each instrument, we spend quite a lot of time for finding nice sounding mic settings. Something similar happens with the other parameters, and even the effects. That's (acoustic) life!
Thank you for this enlightening answer. I don't undersand why the order of the presets is different for each piano? It would be interesting to be able to easily compare all the ‘Warm", all the ‘player’ etc...
YvesTh wrote:Olivier W wrote:just puchased i play with it. Magical
Better than a Steinway : Bell Steinway Sound with Bosendorfer power, and CFX PPP
Improvement in high notes and attack.
My favorite with Vi labs Modern D. i will play all the night with it.
I just change hammer noise 1 to 1.30 and it's perfect, and instrument condition to 0.10
bravo
Please on witch preset do you make these modifications. My problem on pianoteq is the number of preset for each piano. I would like a standard preset for each piano with all same paramètres. Now Room or micro parameters are not the same for every Warm preset or for every player preset. It is very difficult for me to compare juste the pianos I mean.
Shigeru Warm preset
Thank you
trying to access the modartt´s site and my user area but it seems to be jammed (forum is obviously working, though). anyone else corroborates?
curious about this one. the Bosendorfer almost ruined PTQ for me, as for a long while I could only play the Bosendorfer... all other models sounded just too meh....
all the best,
Miguel.
Olivier, thanks for the tips with settings. I am in love with the particular piano. Beautiful sound. I love all the pianos....I can't pick a favorite but they keep raising the bar. Modartt thank you!
YvesTh wrote:Please on witch preset do you make these modifications. My problem on pianoteq is the number of preset for each piano. I would like a standard preset for each piano with all same paramètres. Now Room or micro parameters are not the same for every Warm preset or for every player preset. It is very difficult for me to compare juste the pianos I mean.
Yves, we could indeed make (our) life simpler and use for example the same mic settings for the "Warm" preset of all instruments. The problem is that it is usually not optimal: a given configuration which works well a piano does not necessarily work well for another piano. The same issue happens in real life. Why is it so? Simply because the acoustic fields generated by two different pianos are different. For that reason, for each instrument, we spend quite a lot of time for finding nice sounding mic settings. Something similar happens with the other parameters, and even the effects. That's (acoustic) life!
The work you do on the presets is brilliant.
trying to access the modartt´s site and my user area but it seems to be jammed (forum is obviously working, though). anyone else corroborates?
curious about this one. the Bosendorfer almost ruined PTQ for me, as for a long while I could only play the Bosendorfer... all other models sounded just too meh....
all the best,
Miguel.
I've been playing the Bosendorfer nonstop but this one is equally glorious and totally different. Now I needfour hands.
Now testing..The Kawai rivals(even maybe surpasses) Boesendorfer.
Being with Pianoteq since version 5. Admittedly as lot to be desired back then..,
Now, with Pianoteq version8, thousand nautical miles away..sails in very deep waters now. Bordering(the Kawai)
indistinguishable from the real thing(not referring to static samples mindyou)
To all those obsessive individuals suffering from some mental disorder still hear metalic&synthetic sounds! (we read that a lot in various pathetic forums..)
Considering the nature of the Pianoteq(being sort of synth), it 'allows' for extreme settings if the human input is moronic.
Get our ears examined, or buy a decent/expensive DP, tame your velocity curves reaching FFs&FFFs!!
(FFF! Who on Earth should/would play like that?)
Wow! I posted this over on PianoTell (created because PianoWorld is now overrun with ads), but thought I'd share here as well:
Just wow! I played around with the trial a little and had a blast!
There are two pleasant surprises for me.
1. Other than the usual presets, there's a new one called Ryuyo. Whatever it is, I love it! I found the description here:
It's an absolute blast.
2. The second surprise is that there is a Shigeru Kawai SK-EX with Strings Pad! I have never seen that before in Pianoteq. It's very tastefully done and a ton of fun! Exactly what I would want from a Strings Pad... I've complained multiple times about not having a Strings layer in Pianoteq, so color me completely surprised to actually see this materialize!
The SK-EX is my new favorite and it finally displaces the NY Steinway D for me.
I've got a problem now... I've got some hard thinking to do about which instrument I'm going to pursue for the recital. What a nice problem to have!
Other than the usual presets, there's a new one called Ryuyo.
Most of the instruments have one preset that is named after the instrument itself: NY Steinway Model D or Bösendorfer 280VC or Ant. Petrof 275. I’d guess Shigeru Kawai SK-EX Ryuyo is that preset for this instrument.
YvesTh wrote:Please on witch preset do you make these modifications. My problem on pianoteq is the number of preset for each piano. I would like a standard preset for each piano with all same paramètres. Now Room or micro parameters are not the same for every Warm preset or for every player preset. It is very difficult for me to compare juste the pianos I mean.
Yves, we could indeed make (our) life simpler and use for example the same mic settings for the "Warm" preset of all instruments. The problem is that it is usually not optimal: a given configuration which works well a piano does not necessarily work well for another piano. The same issue happens in real life. Why is it so? Simply because the acoustic fields generated by two different pianos are different. For that reason, for each instrument, we spend quite a lot of time for finding nice sounding mic settings. Something similar happens with the other parameters, and even the effects. That's (acoustic) life!
”…………………That’s (acoustic) life!” Thank you Philippe, wonderful explanation!
True modelling! Since 2006 - 18 years! And is continuously developed by Modartt. Fantastic!
A truly modelled piano — it opens up new possibilities for the creative musician. The perfect studio tool for sculpting new, fresh inspiring sounds too.
Thank you - Pr. Philippe, Dr. Julien, Niclas, Cp.E Guillaume, Dr. Juliette Dr. Roman, Dr. Robin and Dr. Xavier - for Pianoteq/Organteq.
In appreciation,
Stig
Just tried this out briefly this morning and have to say I am very impressed. I'm already thinking it might have jumped ahead of Bosendorfer/Steinway B/Bechstein as top of my list for the next expansion I buy.
The new Shigeru Kawai has become, without a doubt, my best Pianoteq preset. Congratulations to the guys at Modartt, it's absolutely insane. Thanks!
This is very interesting. Don't miss.
Kawai and Modartt got good friendship, mutual and respectfull admiration. Maybe more projects come in near future.
https://www.kawai-global.com/news/shige...-software/
"The SK-EX instrument pack for Pianoteq marks the first time that a software development team has visited the Shigeru Kawai R&D Laboratory in Ryuyo to record and analyse the SK-EX grand piano. This special collaboration between Kawai and Modartt engineers has resulted in a high-quality, physically modelled instrument that Pianoteq’s community of pianists, producers, and composers is sure to appreciate"
This is very interesting. Don't miss.
Kawai and Modartt got good friendship, mutual and respectfull admiration. Maybe more projects come in near future.
https://www.kawai-global.com/news/shige...-software/
"The SK-EX instrument pack for Pianoteq marks the first time that a software development team has visited the Shigeru Kawai R&D Laboratory in Ryuyo to record and analyse the SK-EX grand piano. This special collaboration between Kawai and Modartt engineers has resulted in a high-quality, physically modelled instrument that Pianoteq’s community of pianists, producers, and composers is sure to appreciate"
my favorite preset :
Shigeru Kawai SK-EX Ryuyo
with some minor changes.
Beto-Music wrote:This is very interesting. Don't miss.
Kawai and Modartt got good friendship, mutual and respectfull admiration. Maybe more projects come in near future.
https://www.kawai-global.com/news/shige...-software/
"The SK-EX instrument pack for Pianoteq marks the first time that a software development team has visited the Shigeru Kawai R&D Laboratory in Ryuyo to record and analyse the SK-EX grand piano. This special collaboration between Kawai and Modartt engineers has resulted in a high-quality, physically modelled instrument that Pianoteq’s community of pianists, producers, and composers is sure to appreciate"
my favorite preset :
Shigeru Kawai SK-EX Ryuyo
with some minor changes.
This is very interesting. Don't miss.
Kawai and Modartt got good friendship, mutual and respectfull admiration. Maybe more projects come in near future.
https://www.kawai-global.com/news/shige...-software/
"The SK-EX instrument pack for Pianoteq marks the first time that a software development team has visited the Shigeru Kawai R&D Laboratory in Ryuyo to record and analyse the SK-EX grand piano. This special collaboration between Kawai and Modartt engineers has resulted in a high-quality, physically modelled instrument that Pianoteq’s community of pianists, producers, and composers is sure to appreciate"
Beto, the visit we made to Kawai in Ryuyo was fantastic indeed! I'm not going to tell a long story, but I can tell you that the people we met there were incredibly friendly, and it was an immense pleasure and honour to collaborate with them.
Beto-Music wrote:This is very interesting. Don't miss.
Kawai and Modartt got good friendship, mutual and respectfull admiration. Maybe more projects come in near future.
https://www.kawai-global.com/news/shige...-software/
"The SK-EX instrument pack for Pianoteq marks the first time that a software development team has visited the Shigeru Kawai R&D Laboratory in Ryuyo to record and analyse the SK-EX grand piano. This special collaboration between Kawai and Modartt engineers has resulted in a high-quality, physically modelled instrument that Pianoteq’s community of pianists, producers, and composers is sure to appreciate"
Beto, the visit we made to Kawai in Ryuyo was fantastic indeed! I'm not going to tell a long story, but I can tell you that the people we met there were incredibly friendly, and it was an immense pleasure and honour to collaborate with them.
It seems to show in the final product.
Loving it... makes me sound and feel like a real piano player .. Casio 7000 - MacBook Pro M3 Max - Solid State Logic SSL 2 - Audio-technica ATH M30 & ATH M50 a little later ... Thank you Modartt !!
This is very interesting. Don't miss.
Kawai and Modartt got good friendship, mutual and respectfull admiration. Maybe more projects come in near future.
https://www.kawai-global.com/news/shige...-software/
"The SK-EX instrument pack for Pianoteq marks the first time that a software development team has visited the Shigeru Kawai R&D Laboratory in Ryuyo to record and analyse the SK-EX grand piano. This special collaboration between Kawai and Modartt engineers has resulted in a high-quality, physically modelled instrument that Pianoteq’s community of pianists, producers, and composers is sure to appreciate"
Perhaps in the near future, we will see PTQ SKEX Inside in some models of KAWAI CA/AURES DP with soundboard transducers.
Wow! I posted this over on PianoTell (created because PianoWorld is now overrun with ads), but thought I'd share here as well:
Just wow! I played around with the trial a little and had a blast!
There are two pleasant surprises for me.
1. Other than the usual presets, there's a new one called Ryuyo. Whatever it is, I love it! I found the description here:
It's an absolute blast.
2. The second surprise is that there is a Shigeru Kawai SK-EX with Strings Pad! I have never seen that before in Pianoteq. It's very tastefully done and a ton of fun! Exactly what I would want from a Strings Pad... I've complained multiple times about not having a Strings layer in Pianoteq, so color me completely surprised to actually see this materialize!
The SK-EX is my new favorite and it finally displaces the NY Steinway D for me.
I've got a problem now... I've got some hard thinking to do about which instrument I'm going to pursue for the recital. What a nice problem to have!
Based on what Kawai wrote it's named after the fact tory where the SK-EX is made.
I'm not going to tell a long story, but I can tell you that the people we met there were incredibly friendly, and it was an immense pleasure and honour to collaborate with them.
Does Kawai use Modartt technology or will they perhaps adopt it?
As I recall, there are a few piano makers that recommend/ship Pianoteq in some form or other.
Philippe Guillaume wrote:I'm not going to tell a long story, but I can tell you that the people we met there were incredibly friendly, and it was an immense pleasure and honour to collaborate with them.
Does Kawai use Modartt technology or will they perhaps adopt it?
As I recall, there are a few piano makers that recommend/ship Pianoteq in some form or other.
I wouldn't be that surprised if Kawai chooses to make a high end silent practice piano with this Modartt modelling technology.
Japonese traditional culture don't honor anybody easily, so you can consider yourself a turbo honored.
Next time you may get a samurai sword as a honour gift.
;-)
What do yout think about a demonstration of appreciation by adding some tradicional and/or famous japonese compositions for piano on the mp3 demos?
Perhaps:
https://youtu.be/LGs_vGt0MY8?si=qV_EnBjengn0aH9p
Beto, the visit we made to Kawai in Ryuyo was fantastic indeed! I'm not going to tell a long story, but I can tell you that the people we met there were incredibly friendly, and it was an immense pleasure and honour to collaborate with them.
Or they could create an hybrid , using technology from both companies, with less flexibility of customization, to not interfere on pianoteq software sales, and with some few samples, just for the attacks, to get good salles even among the haters.
Japonese companies value their work a lot. I believe an hybrid within their digital pianos, as an partnership of technologies between both companies, would be easier to get their acceptance than just pianoteq engine alone.
Perhaps in the near future, we will see PTQ SKEX Inside in some models of KAWAI CA/AURES DP with soundboard transducers.
Or they could create an hybrid , using technology from both companies, with less flexibility of customization, to not interfere on pianoteq software sales, and with some few samples, just for the attacks, to get good salles even among the haters
Kawai already has this hybrid implementation in their top pianos. I had always wondered whether they were using Pianoteq algorithms for this.
Sorry beforehand for the philosophical attitude of my post.
Pianoteq engine 8 is very advanced (vastly superior to 5,6 even 7). Latest pianos additions are certainly
better that all previous packs...
Also, all these pianos(timbre, characteristics, 'idiosynchrasies' of each brand) are there,
and YES they are all different!. Its not scam(just twisting knobs)
The problem is, the level of sophistication the program 'demands' from the player.
Since the Pro version is overloaded with calibrations, (for computer savvy mostly),
iam afraid is not for everybody, but mindyou, essential to achieve best results.
I realize that the majority of players, has simply not the stomach or the inclination to painstakingly
tamper the endless variations of parameters that affect one another, to achieve
the closest to the REAL THING....which is mostly there in all its glory. And it is feasible.
I totally sympathize with these people. Their frustration results in rejecting the software as crap.
Thats the easy thing to do...
Shigeru Kawai : Mon premier test avec cette merveille !
One more positive review
https://youtu.be/OLSPKa5GQJs?si=Q48vZGjx7DfjstGj
I wonder why some youtube videos sounds so rich and others while others don't get the same rich sound quality.
What is the best way to record pianotwq for a video performance or video review?
Regarding the level of sophistication the software 'demands' from the player..
Correction. i really meant.. for !sound engineering! savvy players.
With Pianoteq the feeling of musical interaction with the player is nowhere to be
found with (static)samples libraries. (though admittedly, lately, we've seen some of the
aforementioned really nailed it..)
Last word. KAWAI Shigeru is veryvery polished. Plays like the realthing
This is one of their best packs yet, imo. Great presets that require little to no tweaking.
I purchased, downloaded and ran the set up file, however the piano is not showing up in my dropdown. I see it as registered in the user area. What am I doing wrong?
I purchased, downloaded and ran the set up file, however the piano is not showing up in my dropdown. I see it as registered in the user area. What am I doing wrong?
Open Pianoteq, click the Options button, choose the About tab and click the Update license button. That usually does it.
My standard response to any new pianoteq release is: Purchase immediately. Try afterwards.
Philippe Guillaume wrote:YvesTh wrote:Please on witch preset do you make these modifications. My problem on pianoteq is the number of preset for each piano. I would like a standard preset for each piano with all same paramètres. Now Room or micro parameters are not the same for every Warm preset or for every player preset. It is very difficult for me to compare juste the pianos I mean.
Yves, we could indeed make (our) life simpler and use for example the same mic settings for the "Warm" preset of all instruments. The problem is that it is usually not optimal: a given configuration which works well a piano does not necessarily work well for another piano. The same issue happens in real life. Why is it so? Simply because the acoustic fields generated by two different pianos are different. For that reason, for each instrument, we spend quite a lot of time for finding nice sounding mic settings. Something similar happens with the other parameters, and even the effects. That's (acoustic) life!
”…………………That’s (acoustic) life!” Thank you Philippe, wonderful explanation!
True modelling! Since 2006 - 18 years! And is continuously developed by Modartt. Fantastic!
A truly modelled piano — it opens up new possibilities for the creative musician. The perfect studio tool for sculpting new, fresh inspiring sounds too.Thank you - Pr. Philippe, Dr. Julien, Niclas, Cp.E Guillaume, Dr. Juliette Dr. Roman, Dr. Robin and Dr. Xavier - for Pianoteq/Organteq.
In appreciation,
Stig
Yes, thank you so much Modartt for all the hard work you and your Beta testers and everyone else involved put into making Pianoteq (and Organteq) so very special.
Warmest regards,
Chris
P.s. not to forget the forum family who Modartt so kindly listen to.
My standard response to any new pianoteq release is: Purchase immediately. Try afterwards.
I could not agree more. Buy before you try is absolutely justified. A marvelous piano. Got the license immediately and discovered, that I am still running the Bösendorfer in demo mode. So I added it as well. :-)
Big thanks to Modartt for these wonderful additions.
lo134 wrote:My standard response to any new pianoteq release is: Purchase immediately. Try afterwards.
I could not agree more. Buy before you try is absolutely justified. A marvelous piano. Got the license immediately and discovered, that I am still running the Bösendorfer in demo mode. So I added it as well. :-)
Big thanks to Modartt for these wonderful additions.
Great advice!!!
Warmest regards,
Chris
axantas wrote:lo134 wrote:My standard response to any new pianoteq release is: Purchase immediately. Try afterwards.
I could not agree more. Buy before you try is absolutely justified. A marvelous piano. Got the license immediately and discovered, that I am still running the Bösendorfer in demo mode. So I added it as well. :-)
Big thanks to Modartt for these wonderful additions.
Great advice!!!
Warmest regards,
Chris
...and I usually can find one of my previous Pianoteq competition participation $20 coupons, which further reduced the cost of purchase.