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Warmest regards,

Chris

I'm personally considering exchanging my P515 for a Roland A88 MK2. I tried the FP60 and love the action and the A88 MK2 has the same keybed plus it's very solidly built. It's also very well balanced front to back.

Warmest regards,

Chris

May I humbly suggest you at least wait till Winter Namm to see what will be revealed there? I am looking forward to seeing something special. This would also give you more time for research.

Warmest regards,

Chris

So here we are again, waited until winter NAMM and nothing really changed, I'm still at the same point debating among the models mentioned before (and some others maybe).

Meanwhile, I've visited several shops to try some actions hands-on and these are some of the conclusions:

PHA4: I like the action, really enjoyed  it while playing some jazz but cannot really keep up to some more demanding classical styles, trills are OK but definetely not as playable as wished. It's still a good and expressive action if I was playing jazz only.

PHA50: While I liked the general feel of the PHA4 better, PHA50 was more playable by miles, I could perform trills and all sort of quick passages of both classical and jazz styles, it felt more forgiving at an expression level, still a bit unnatural IMO.

NWX: Absolutely amazing keybed, I know some folks claim it to be too heavy etc. but it felt to me absolutely alright, a joy to play and very reactive and expressive, really close to a real good accoustic. I'm saying this and I come from a Kawai GF2 action which is as playable yet lighter than the NWX, I still like both actions the best so far (as for DP).

NORD PIANO4: it was provided with a Kawai action (cannot recall the name), played just well although nowhere close to the NWX, it wasn't really at the level of 4000€ DP so immediately dismissed.

PXS1100: A lot of concerns on the internet about the "flaw action", technicalities aside, it just performed surprisingly good, I tried to find the error while playing different chords closer and farther to the fallboard and the result was nothing that I could really tag as a flaw considering how compact the whole slab is, there's obviously a slight difference in touch while getting towards the fallboard but nothing that prevented me from playing some demanding stuff. Also trills were more than acceptable and the general feel of the key (dynamics and responsiveness) was really good, sorry not to align with the mainstream.

GP310: The Casio-Bechstein, although tried it in several shops I wasn't really able to get a satisfactory result, it's very playable, touch is nice (not my favourite though), sound is nice, but the point is that the whole experience was a bit off, like you've got good ingredients but the combo is just not alright. Although it's not an option (I'm looking for a stage piano that serves as a good MIDI controller mainly) but tried it for the sake of it.

Well, at this point I'm still curious what the folks around here think and whether anyone had the chance to try the NUMA X GT (Fatar TP400 action same on the VIVO S9), also whether any clue on a possible MP12 (provided with GF3) in the short-mid term..

Back to my shopping list, I'd pick the NWX (P515) if it wasn't becasue it apparently doesn't send full MIDI range, I know you can adjust velocity curves etc. but a high-end DP that cannot send MIDI values above 9x is a bit of a turndown for me.. Also, and this is very secondary, I don't fully like its aesthetics, those 2 separate speakers look very old fashioned, I better like the design of the speakers on the FP90x but again that's just a minor point.

OTOH I think I'm crazy because of saying this, but I feel like the PXS1100 could just do the job (will see how much I'd regret it in the long run) but I still doubt whether it's got full pedaling and whether it's got consistent MIDI-on (and OFF).

FP90x (PHA50) is a valid alternative too, perhaps not my favourite touch for classical music (although it nails it for jazz and others), it feels like it's a safe bet as a whole..

Any other ideas/suggestions are welcome.

Regards,
David

I'm curious what your workaround for this is, got 100% satisfactory MIDI response?

Thank you Chris, doesn't the "Hard Touch 1" makes it any difficult to play/express?

From what I remember, the NWX was top notch feeling for me, loved it more than any key action on a slab but it was "heavy" enough (not much not little) to set it up other than "medium".

I was able to play some fast passages and trills with no issues whatsoever, obviously through the onboard sounds, never tried it along with Pianoteq.

OTOH I've just tried the FP90x today, after comparing PHA4 and PHA50 more thoroughly I came to the conclusion that the PHA4 is very deceiving, nice at a first sight but it fails at delivering expression and accuracy on demanding classical music. At some point it even felt hollow when played quickly and forte until it activated the sound, somewhat weird, I'm definetely dismissing it. The PHA50 on the FP90x played expressively and fast enough, not that it was light either but fair enough to perform most of the classical stuff I played.

What's interesting is, that I took my laptop and tested several models on Pianoteq to see how their MIDI modules behaved and to my surprise Roland's (both FP90x and FP30x) were able to give me "complete" range in a consistent way, I was able to get PPP signal while playing softly without struggling like in other models where I hardly got MIDI values below 15-20 (I know I can change velocity curve on PTQ but that's something I'd rather avoid)

While PPP was a hit with the Rolands, I realized that on the other extreme I wasn't able to get MIDI values above 115 (approx.) which made me laugh because that was exactly the case with the P515... so I guess both models have similar MIDI behaviour (with variations maybe among values between 0-115)

Unfortunately there wasn't a P515 to test on, I wonder whether you're able to easily get PPP values on PTQ with a "medium or normal" touch setting, also what's the max. MIDI value you get with same touch setting?

I can say and based on my trials and information I've gathered from the internet, my options have narrowed down to both PHA50 and NWX actions.

As a sidenote, none of these actions felt as real and playable as the GF2 that I currently play, which makes me eager to wait until we see what NAMM will bring on and whether we're lucky enough to see a possible MP12 with a proper GF3 inside, that would be a killer IMO

Kind regards,
David

100%

That's actually the reason why I'm not settling on the MP11 (GF1), you'll most likely end up having the well known slip tape issue.

As for the FP90x and P515 I've tried, they both seemed to me heavy duty gear, robust building and firm keys, nothing that you wouldn't like as a pianist. Today I've even confirmed that there are metal parts in the casing of the FP90x, cannot recall if it's also the case with the P515, Chris may know better.

Also, PHA50 is an extensively proved action, the favourite among many known reviewers out there, its presumably second to none in terms of durability. Similarily, there's barely people AFAK complaining about any technical issues with the NWX altough it's more recent than the PHA50 I guess.