Topic: More historic Pianos

Does anyone else would love to have more historic instruments like fortepianos in pianoteq? There are so many I would love to have outside of the karsten/Kremsegg collection.

https://www.cobbecollection.co.uk/

has a big collection of instruments played by famous composers for example but also many other museums

there are also really good replika from builders like Paul McNulty

https://www.fortepiano.eu/

PS: I am also curious to know if 1. the pedal emulates the historic pedal sound and 2. if there are any plans of integrating the "moderator" functions to pianos who had it to get the kind of muted sound

Last edited by Piano85 (10-12-2021 16:20)

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I am unlikely to see, let alone hear, and probably not even dare touch any of the pianos in the Cobbe Collection, given that I am on the other side of the globe. It is a marvellous collection of instruments and there are a number there that I would like know more intimately musically, but unless Modartt actually model any of the instruments, then I am unlikely ever to have the chance to hear them, even virtually.

So can I add my voice to yours in requesting the availability of more historical instruments to the Mordartt collection. It would be interesting to virtually play on Chopin's own 1848 Pleyel, or the Broadwood he selected for his London concerts. I suppose that there is a vicarious pleasure in knowing that my fingers are virtually touching a model of a physical piano that was once touched by Chopin; one may never virtually wash one's hands again.

All joking to one side it would be interesting to hear the actual sounds that Chopin could have produced, if he played as badly as I do, of course. There are also a lot of the percussive string instruments, from the rest of the world, that I would appreciate getting a chance to experiment with. Having discovered that I already have a cimbalom on my copy of Pianoteq, I have been experimenting with A=415 Hz and various temperaments, and thus having great fun with some of the early English Baroque music.

There is so much fun to be had musically, that it seems a shame not to ask Mordartt for it all

Michael

Pianoteq 8 Studio plus all Instrument packs; Organteq 2; Debian; Reaper; Carla

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I'm lucky I have the Frederick Collection located about 100 km (63 miles) from where I live in Massachusetts. The Cobb Collection for me too is also half a world away.

www.frederickcollection.org

All the pianos are playable, and we're allowed to touch and play them. These pianos are also used in recordings and in live concerts. Their oldest instrument is a fortepiano that dates back to the 1790s and the youngest is an Erard grand from 1928.

Among the many pianos are some beautiful Streicher, a Clementi an early Bosendorfer, beautiful Erard including the Extra Grand, Blüthner, a Steinway, a couple of Bechsteins, and a Pleyel from around the time of Chopin. There are about 25 pianos available for playing in total.

The experience of playing these instruments goes beyond anything I can explain and since I've gotten Pianoteq, I have spent a long time trying to match the sounds of the modeled pianos with the antiques. I've gotten close, but not quite on the mark. With the collection openly available, this gives us a chance to sample each one next to each other. Comparing the Bosendorfer to the Brodmann, for example is interesting because Ignaz worked for Joseph.

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Jcitron,

You may be also half a world away from the Cobbe Collection, but you are also on a very much bigger island. There is a lot to be said for living in Aotearoa, but having easy access to major collections of musical instruments is possibly not one of them.

However, we do have lots of interesting scenery and sheep!

Michael

Pianoteq 8 Studio plus all Instrument packs; Organteq 2; Debian; Reaper; Carla

Re: More historic Pianos

Piano85 wrote:

Does anyone else would love to have more historic instruments like fortepianos in pianoteq?

I absolutely do! I would love to have them! And more clavichords (we have just one).

Where do I find a list of all posts I upvoted? :(

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dv wrote:
Piano85 wrote:

Does anyone else would love to have more historic instruments like fortepianos in pianoteq?

I absolutely do! I would love to have them! And more clavichords (we have just one).

+1 for more historic instruments and especially another clavichord.  For clavichords, I am unaware of a really good and large enough controller with polyphonic aftertouch.  Any suggestions?  Perhaps a ROLI?

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smulloni wrote:
dv wrote:
Piano85 wrote:

Does anyone else would love to have more historic instruments like fortepianos in pianoteq?

I absolutely do! I would love to have them! And more clavichords (we have just one).

+1 for more historic instruments and especially another clavichord.  For clavichords, I am unaware of a really good and large enough controller with polyphonic aftertouch.  Any suggestions?  Perhaps a ROLI?

I think all of the Yamaha AvantGrand have the polyphonic aftertouch even though it's implemented in "the piano way" which is strange for a synth: it gets engaged when you start to release the key after the strike. In fact, it is used to simulate the partial releases of dampers.

AFAIK there is no weighted controller with poly-aftertouch.

Alternatively, you can "roll your own" a-la Cybrid or friends like https://pianoclack.com/forum/d/163-buil...the-action

Where do I find a list of all posts I upvoted? :(

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AFAIK there is no weighted controller with poly-aftertouch.

I think that for an instrument of limited dynamic range, weight may not be so important, as long as the action is controllable (which in this case may mean, quite shallow).

Re: More historic Pianos

smulloni wrote:
dv wrote:
Piano85 wrote:

Does anyone else would love to have more historic instruments like fortepianos in pianoteq?

I absolutely do! I would love to have them! And more clavichords (we have just one).

+1 for more historic instruments and especially another clavichord.  For clavichords, I am unaware of a really good and large enough controller with polyphonic aftertouch.  Any suggestions?  Perhaps a ROLI?


How about this?:
https://www.expressivee.com/2-osmose

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A little bit off-topic but perhaps of interest for everybody subscribed to this thread.

https://youtu.be/itLh_yWsOX0

There is some technician aspects, learning, music played on the instrument, a piece without time signature (!)

I wonder if pianoteq also implements some on-purpose latency for the various stops of the harpsichords as they do for the felt pianos as discussed at https://forum.modartt.com/viewtopic.php?id=9034 -- and now that I think about it, if it does the same with the pianos for which louder notes are played with less latency than quieter notes (to account for the time the hammer reaches the strings -- this is measurable on a acoustic piano). Does anybody know?

Where do I find a list of all posts I upvoted? :(

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dv wrote:

I wonder if pianoteq also implements some on-purpose latency for the various stops of the harpsichords as they do for the felt pianos as discussed at https://forum.modartt.com/viewtopic.php?id=9034 -- and now that I think about it, if it does the same with the pianos for which louder notes are played with less latency than quieter notes (to account for the time the hammer reaches the strings -- this is measurable on a acoustic piano). Does anybody know?

What I think,
Because of its technology, a midi keyboard has more latency on a low velocity note than on a high velocity note because the midi signal is sent at the end of the key stroke, so later when playing pianissimo. In a real piano in pianissimo playing the contact of the hammer with the string takes place before the key reaches the end of its stroke.
https://www.speech.kth.se/music/5_lectu...ybott.html
So the midi keyboard cannot be as fast as accoustic in this situation, because of the sensor at end of stroke... for forte notes it is different because even in acoustic the hammer is in contact of string after end of key stroke.