Topic: Controlling volume with MIDI velocity

I know that with an actual pipe organ, you cannot control the volume of a note by using different velocities on the keys. But I think they should add that as an optional feature.
It would make playing much more expressive.
They've already indicated that they're fine with "stretching" the abilities of instruments past their physical possibilities, for instance with extended keyboard ranges, and I think that controlling note volume or other parameters with velocity would make it much more interesting to play.

Re: Controlling volume with MIDI velocity

Agreed.  The harpsichords in Pianoteq can respond to note velocity, and I've had a lot of fun with that option!

Re: Controlling volume with MIDI velocity

ConnorG wrote:

I know that with an actual pipe organ, you cannot control the volume of a note by using different velocities on the keys. But I think they should add that as an optional feature.
It would make playing much more expressive.
They've already indicated that they're fine with "stretching" the abilities of instruments past their physical possibilities, for instance with extended keyboard ranges, and I think that controlling note volume or other parameters with velocity would make it much more interesting to play.


Optional features are always welcome. But quite a lot in terms of volume can already be done with the expression pedal and crescendo pedal.

”Assign all stops of a keyboard to the expression pedal by right-clicking on it or stops can be individually add to or remove from the expression pedal from the ”Stop edit window”.
The crescendo pedal gradually activates stops in addition to the manual registration. The crescendo pedal is divided in 12 steps. For each step, a stop can be on or off. Set the stop individually from the ”Stop edit window”.”

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Stig

Re: Controlling volume with MIDI velocity

I absolutely agree that adding individual note velocity sensitivity would be an extremely expressive feature!  As much as using foot controllers can expand the OVERALL volume levels it is still limiting in not having the ability to 'bring out' inner melodies spontaneously while playing, such as how it can be done on a piano.

This feature is already implemented on other pipe organs (i.e. Fredonia Grand Organ and others).  It really is a game-changer!   I'll bet many, many organists playing real acoustic pipe organs wish they had this capability!   In fact, when I have a Kontakt instrument such as organ or strings etc, I always attempt to add this feature in the edit panel.  When it is possible to do it, it truly transports the expressive capabilities exponentially.  I guarantee that you'll never want to be without it after you've tried it!

I was playing Organteq 2 today and was joyfully overwhelmed to tears by how excellent the sounds are....  but...  I found myself wanting in that I could not 'bring out' certain inner voices at will anywhere in my voicings.  I know this is not a capability of an acoustic pipe organ BUT, and a big BUT is emphasized....  this could well be a feature that is possible to implement in the digital realm!   Please, please strongly consider an update for this Modartt!    How about having this feature switchable on/off so that it can suit everyone?   Or just implement it and the user can choose whatever keyboard MIDI response from their own controller.

A side note here:   Could you also consider having the same comprehensive temperament tuning engine as is included in Pianoteq?

Congratulations Modartt on very high achievements in all your superlative instruments!!!

Best regards,
Michael

Re: Controlling volume with MIDI velocity

Well, an important question here is whether this is about adding a change in "volume" to the individual notes (e.g. global volume change on a per note basis) or if the "volume" is a metric of the number and intensity of the pipes speaking (e.g. a function of registration, like the crescendo shoe).  Both of which, the software can be somewhat manipulated into doing if running within a DAW.

In a some DAWs and VST hosts, you can remap the Velocity data to a MIDI controller/event (I'm not aware of any direct velocity mapping in OTQ but I could be wrong) that can then be mapped to OTQ's volume slider, the crescendo pedal (depending on if you want the organ volume or number of stops to change), or even an expression shoe (or three).  When I'm working in Dorico, for example, I can simply set dynamics as you would normally and use whatever "Velocity + [function]" expression map to change the registration quickly using the crescendo.  It's a bit of a hack, but it works surprisingly well.  In a situation like that, the change is global (e.g. hitting two notes on different manuals at the same time at different velocities will not be at different volumes and can even create unwanted Subito sounds), it can simulate something of what the effect would be like.  One way to minimize differences between manuals is to only have one manual mapped to the "Velocity +" expression map and keep the others at default, or set each manual to a different instance of OTQ that has its own mapping and only calculates values off of that one manual.  It's not perfect, but it would give a sense for how that could sound/behave.

While it's an interesting idea, I don't know how much it would really make playing better and more expressive.  However, on tracker organs, the attack velocity doesn't change the volume as much as it changes the timbre, since only partially pressing or slowly pressing a key will change the wind pressure and speed of saturation for the pipe, making the the transition between silence and "speech" for a pipe much more prominent--in a way that experienced organists can deliberately shape like an expression setting.  This can be a good or bad thing, depending on whether the player intended the effect, but I'd be very interested in more of that nuance being added as a function of velocity to OTQ.

For those interested in more specifics, here's a rather nerdy read on pipe speaking physics (albeit specifically ignoring the aforementioned effect but giving a good overview in general): https://newt.phys.unsw.edu.au/music/peo...al1983.pdf

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