Topic: Saying hello :)

Hello Everyone

This is my first post on this forum, where I freshly joined here.
I am piano amateur on good entry level (I think) with 25 years break in piano practising in Music School but still everything related with piano art and piano instruments is my passion. Currently my piano playing to oscilate allaround my own improvisations which are close to ambient, chillout or cinematic genres based on classical harmony.

I am considering to buy Pianoteq 6 Stage (Petrof and Steinway B for this moment) but also are tempting me other sounds, like Bluethner, Bechstein or Steingraber. I already downloaded trial version of Pianoteq 6 and every evening I am playing on it. The biggest thing, which I need to know are possibilities and limitations of Stage version versus Standard version. Probably I will have a lot questions but first of all I am going to read some topics on the forum before I start asking about anything.

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Re: Saying hello :)

Warm welcome to you RichieBill,

it's a pleasure to read your message.

Many here would be pleased to give assistance should you call upon it. I'm certain you can find a good match within the Pianoteq range to suit your desires and requirements.

Feel welcome to ask anything of it here - bound to be someone around with a helpful word.

Cheers.

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Welcome friend!

I am sure you will be pleased with Pianoteq, regardless of the pianos you have to purchase.
I've been using Pianoteq for five years, and I'm getting more and more surprised. Choosing Pianoteq gave me the autonomy and quality that digital pianos the sampling base could not give me.
Today, I laugh each time a new sample-based digital keyboard comes out, promising to be the best.

Respeito, Esforço e Sabedoria

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I use the Stage version for half a year now (Blüthner & Steinway D, but I play the Blüthner almost exclusively).
The piano sound is indeed amazing, compared to sampled piano's.
About the Stage version: it gives me 100% playability. There's hardly a feature I miss, compared to Standard.
The advantage of Stage is its simpler interface (even with Stage, you can tweak a lot of parameters), so it could be advisable to become familiar with Stage, before switching to Standard.
You can upgrade later on without paying more than if you've decided to go for standard right from the beginning.

For which piano to choose from: download the samples and listen to them, together with playing them. This could give you a good base to choose.

Have a nice day & happy playin'

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Welcome!

I would just buy the Pro with all the instruments, Pianoteq creates piano sounds so realistically it's hard not to want everything once you get started.

Re: Saying hello :)

RichieBill wrote:

The biggest thing, which I need to know are possibilities and limitations of Stage version versus Standard version

First, you can be assured that the preset sounds in Stage sound the same as the preset sounds in Standard and Pro.

Second the upgrade policy is very simple and you can upgrade from Stage to Standard for just the price difference between the two.  If you upgrade (as I did myself) it's pretty painless.  Sometimes the upgrades are sold at a good discount (maybe once a year) but I would not rely on this happening - what is on offer changes every time Modartt have a sale.

Basic effects handled in Pianoteq work the same for all versions : so reverb, compression, equalization and so on can be adjusted the same way.

The two things I would miss the most if I went back to Stage from Standard are :

* Standard lets you position microphones of different types within the virtual sound stage and to control mixing of them.  Stage has no control over this at all.  Positioning microphones (including the position of the binaural mode "virtual head") make quite a difference to the sound.

* Standard lets you load FXPs built with Pro (where all adjustments are possible, beyond what Standard offers) and all the adjustments work correctly.  Stage will load these FXPs, but will ignore any adjustments in the FXP you cannot change from within Stage itself.  That's pretty limiting, although in fairness version 6 has such good presets that there seems to be less drive to make FXPs (by users) than in previous versions.

So it is safe to buy Stage and use the presets.  You may find they are all you need in which case you get get e.g. more instruments instead of Standard.  If you feel you need more control then try Standard.  The Pro version, IMO, really needs someone with "pro ears" and knowledge to exploit.

StephenG

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The advice from sjgcit (above) is spot on. Start with Stage if you want to tread lightly, and take the option to upgrade later (as I did). No need to go Pro unless you've been using Standard for a good while and feel as if you really, really need the enhanced features. The thing I would miss most, if I had to do downgrade to Stage, would be the Advanced Tuning feature.
As I usually say to prospective purchasers, take your time exploring the demo (you can demo both Stage and Standard if you like), almost as though you're auditioning pianos in a showroom.

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Qexl wrote:

Warm welcome to you RichieBill,

it's a pleasure to read your message.

Professor Leandro Duarte wrote:

Welcome friend!

Thank you very much for so warm welcome

Professor Leandro Duarte wrote:

... I laugh each time a new sample-based digital keyboard comes out, promising to be the best.

Absolutely right! Usually they do more exaggerated speach and marketing shows than really significant improvement. Maybe with two exceptions - Nord, especially their newest sample "White Grand" and their upright samples (any digital pianos brand doesn't have so great upright piano samples, like nord has got). Also Korg Grandstage grand piano sounds are quite good, which are based on Korg Kronos library.

Viridis wrote:

About the Stage version: it gives me 100% playability. There's hardly a feature I miss, compared to Standard.

I believe that Pianoteq Stage is really good enough for the most piano genres, like classical, jazz and pop music but I am curious how Stage version options will be enough for more specific piano pieces, like for example: Olafur Arnalds, Nils Frahm, Agnes Obel or Hania Rani?
The same way, I am curious, how Standard version features are really improving acoustic effects the same Pianoteq samples. How significatly?

Viridis wrote:

download the samples and listen to them, together with playing them. This could give you a good base to choose.

dazric wrote:

As I usually say to prospective purchasers, take your time exploring the demo (you can demo both Stage and Standard if you like), almost as though you're auditioning pianos in a showroom.

Of course, I know - the best way is, to explore both Pianoteq versions (Stage, Standard) by yourself, which I am doing slowly right now, step by step. Probably I will need couple of weeks, to assess their all features.

sjgcit wrote:

First, you can be assured that the preset sounds in Stage sound the same as the preset sounds in Standard and Pro..

Basic effects handled in Pianoteq work the same for all versions : so reverb, compression, equalization and so on can be adjusted the same way.

Yes, I know it.

sjgcit wrote:

* Standard lets you position microphones of different types within the virtual sound stage and to control mixing of them.

I read some topics on pianoworld forum and many pianists who own plenty (even very expensive) VSTs, they compliment Pianoteq among others just for possibilities of microphones positioning as a the best feature of virtual piano.

sjgcit wrote:

* Standard lets you load FXPs built with Pro (where all adjustments are possible, beyond what Standard offers) and all the adjustments work correctly.  Stage will load these FXPs, but will ignore any adjustments in the FXP you cannot change from within Stage itself.  That's pretty limiting,

Honestly, I am not sure yet, what is it?

sjgcit wrote:

If you feel you need more control then try Standard.

Everything indicate me to more advanced options in Standard version but I am not hurry.

sjgcit wrote:

The Pro version, IMO, really needs someone with "pro ears" and knowledge to exploit.

Agree. I don't think, that I need.

sjgcit wrote:

the upgrade policy is very simple and you can upgrade from Stage to Standard for just the price difference between the two. 

Basic effects handled in Pianoteq work the same for all versions : so reverb, compression, equalization and so on can be adjusted the same way.

So it is safe to buy Stage and use the presets.  You may find they are all you need in which case you get get e.g. more instruments instead of Standard.

dazric wrote:

Start with Stage if you want to tread lightly, and take the option to upgrade later (as I did).

Absolutely right. Fair enough and safe deal.

Guys! Thank you very much for your so active responses!
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