Topic: Headphone comparison

I went shopping for headphones today since I recently decided to switch from my closed-back Sony MDR-7506's to an open back design. Figured I'd post my findings for whoever is interested. Many many thanks to those of you who offerred advice in my other thread. It was great info to have heading into this decision.

I tried:
New Sony MDR-7506 $85
Grado SR-80i $100
Koss Porta Pro $50
AKG K240 $70
Beyerdynamic DT990 Pro $150

The new Sony's sounded the same but were way more comfy than my current ones because my ear pads are a mess. Had NOT realized how important that is, and will be replacing them immediately.

The Grados (which I ultimately bought) sounded almost the same to my ears, though the store was noisy. When I got them home, I can hear that their sound is just a little darker, more bass-y than the Sony's. They are comfortable on my head and light! The ear pads are a little scratchy, but I suppose that will get better. If not, they do have other ear pads you can get.

The Koss, AKG, and Beyerdynamic were all MORE bass heavy than the Grado's. The Beyerdynamic were the softest in volume, but of all the ones I tried they were by FAR the most comfortable. Oh, they were so comfy. However, I liked the Grado's sound better, and I couldn't see spending $50 more just for the comfort if the sound wasn't also superior. The AKG were supremely UNcomfortable for my head and ears. I couldn't imagine getting used to them. The Porta Pros sounded good, bass heavy like I said, but they seemed too flimsy for my taste. I didn't love the form factor.

I'm really glad I got to try them all back to back. It was very interesting.

So, I'm happy. I'm going to get new ear pads for my Sony's and keep the Grado's too. I think it's the best of both worlds. I have two good, comfy, linear headsets, one closed, one open.

Also, I am VERY happy that I could tell the differences in the sound, even in the noisy store, and that my impressions were confirmed by frequency response graphs on headphone.com. I hear better and more critically than I thought!

Oh and a footnote: as soon as I saw them and tried them on, I realized that Grado's are the headphones used at the Yale music library. I spent many MANY hours listening to all kinds of great recordings there with them. So there's even some nostalgia associated with them for me.

Listening to Mitsuko Uchida play some Beethoven with them right now. I'm very happy. The open back design really does make a difference. It's much more like listening live!

Rachel Jimenez
Classical pianist and teacher
http://fundamentalkeys.com

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Glad you found what you were looking for. You did exactly the right thing: draw up a list of candidates and then go and try them out. There is more than just a bit of personal taste involved that is not covered by measuring response curves. The 'oh so comfy' factor of the DT-990s is something I can absolutely confirm, however (after a few minutes I can almost forget I am wearing them).

Pianoteq 6 Standard (Steinway D&B, Grotrian, Petrof, Steingraeber, Bechstein, Blüthner, K2, YC5, U4, Kremsegg 1&2, Karsten, Electric, Hohner)

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Should've tried the DT-880 - less bass heavy than 990.

Hard work and guts!

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The best way to find out if you like to buy any audio video technology is to experience it first hand. The problem I've always had in regards being able to listen to headphones is the limited choice in the stores and they would rarely have the ones that gets the best reviews.

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I've been using Grado SR 80 for years now, and nothing I've tried comes close in presence, naturalness, and accuracy of details in my opinion. The only drawback of an open-ended design with pianoteq is that I hear too much the key noise my (oldish) keyboard makes when playing. I also use my noise-cancelling Bose Qc-15, less accurate, but with a dead silence background, I hear the music only. Good choice!

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I use from
http://www.audeze.com/
LCD-2 Headphone
If you have free higher money, try it.

It's a brilliant choice for piano music. This headphone has low distortion within the important sub and medium frequency range and a high dynamic range from pp to fff for every signal in undistorted quality. Compared and tested to other good headphones, this was my first choice because the sound was listen most natural and not so extremly bright and sharp like on other top headphones "HD"..... etc.

Headphones driven by a quality sound card Asus xonar Essence STX with included headphone driver amp, low distortion DACs, 192kHz running under PT Pro 5 ==> it's really a pleasure for the ears. (Kawai VCP-1, Win7, i7, 4-5ms latency depending on used piano model).

I am used now for headphones, this type of headphone I can hear it now for hours without feeling uncomfortable for the ears or getting tired witin the head. This headp. type is a little more heavy than others, but it is a matter of being used for it.

I play also an year 1907 Grand Blüthner Aliquot (appr. 234cm), in restaurated condition, it is a fine beautiful piano, but believe me when I say playing PT together with good sound hardware it is a great pleasure too. Many times I don't know "shall I play today real piano or shall I use PT"? A real Piano of course has it's own life and the real contact to the strings, but PT sweet to play and easily to change the model you feel today for. Alone, at night ==> PT, with others ==> piano, for training ==> PT, for playing my best ==> piano and sometimes PT.

The model JB Streicher sounds sweet and very beautiful, excellent for fast played pieces. I wished I could hear it onetimes in real.
Blüthner Model One V4.5 to V5 has improved, the Aliquot V5 Model sounds now more realistic. The new Erad with its missing dampers in the high tones sounds like small bells in the high tones, for some pieces wonderful, my old Blüthner has a similar characteristic in the high tones and the Aliquot is similar to Blüthner V5.

With PT you can explore the interesting world and history of pianos, people who always play since years only their common used StWa's they don't know what they miss and their ears getting fixed to one style of sound only - for me I see this is an disadvantage of developing the ears.

With good hardware PT makes much fun. Buy the headphone you can afford, but consider always the headphone is the most important part in the signal chain!

A less money, good-medium quality headphone is the AKG K701 (used this before the LCD), but never reach the LCD quality. I would spent at least 300 USD for a headphone.

One of the most important thing is the sound characteristic of the headphone, it should be a warm sound and hearable for a long time - with some types I can do, with others never - there sound get painful and the playing skills falling down.

A headphone which is sounding spectacular with Pop Music and percussion music within the first ten minutes, this could be the wrong one for the piano when using it for > one hour, choose one with a warm characteric and test it with piano music or soft natural instruments and voices. You must feel comfortable in your ears for long time! not spectacular when you are in the shop.

This is my experience with headphones.

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Congratulations, happy to hear this. You've picked excellent headphones -

Here is the frequency response:
http://en.goldenears.net/en/files/attac...8a8c62.png

Consider that spike at 4.3Khz; a little EQ dip to tame that would be in order - countering emphasis on metallic formants otherwise hidden. Maybe small adjustments for the rest; it'll require some experimentation. Avoid overcompensation. The green line target indicates ideal perception of bass response in a normal space. The grado curve is nice here; avoid too much compensation for bass frequencies below 60 hz

Last edited by Sage (18-06-2014 23:58)

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Congratulations! I have the Sennheiser HD-650 headphones. I got them on a sale for $300.

There are SOOO many brands out there, it is confusing. I wish I could have compared mine with some of the brands mentioned. I tried several Audio Technica headphones and the Sennheiser HD-598 and some cheap Koss'.

I think that once you get a decent pair of headphones, it's best not to look back. Instead of enjoying your Pianoteq, you should refrain from nagging yourself if it would sound even better if you spent another $200, or $2000.

Pianoteq 6 Std, Bluthner, Model B, Grotian, YC5, Hohner, Kremsegg #1, Electric Pianos. Roland FP-90, Windows 10 quad core, Xenyx Q802USB, Yamaha HS8 monitors, Audio Technica
ATH-M50x headphones.

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Thanks everyone! Sage I got a graph like that from a different site, but it didn't have the green line showing what a realistic response would look like. I'll play around with it, thanks!

Rachel Jimenez
Classical pianist and teacher
http://fundamentalkeys.com

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rjpianist wrote:

Thanks everyone! Sage I got a graph like that from a different site, but it didn't have the green line showing what a realistic response would look like. I'll play around with it, thanks!

How are you liking the open design in comparison to the closed? (having more time to experience it)

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OMG, it's awesome. I feel more like I'm just listening to natural sound like speakers in the room. I guess because you aren't closed off from ambient noise. It is way less fatiguing on my ears, and strangely enough, I find I am listening more softly but hearing more. Thanks so much for the nudge in this direction. Another good thing about the Grado's is that they are made in Brooklyn which is where I live! Love love love them.

Rachel Jimenez
Classical pianist and teacher
http://fundamentalkeys.com

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Open design headphones are way much better than closed design IMHO.

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jarosujo wrote:

Open design headphones are way much better than closed design IMHO.

Depends for what purpose. Open back headphones are really bad for recording vocals because they bleed too much into the mic.

Hard work and guts!

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Adding to Mr. Dragon's comments about microphone bleed in a recording studio:

I have owned and enjoyed AKG-702 (studio version of the -701) headphones since 2009.  Another complaint about open 'phones comes from my wife, who "hears" them whenever I use them ... and complains that I am playing them too loudly, and am going to ruin my ears.  She is used to the concept that headphones are supposed to silence the the sound from other people in the room.  I have been unable to convince her that open type headphones happen to bleed sound into the surrounding room.

Cheers,

Joe

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Actually,  I don't want Peggy (my lovely) to know that I can hear her when I have my BeyerDynamic 880s on!

JUST KIDDING . . . I couldn't resist that Joe . . .


Lanny

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It's easy to read or hear if a pair of headphones are good or bad, but its often the case that when you want to purchase a pair that has great reviews, they're not always available in a store that you have access to. Also, if you're in a store, not all are set up to hear what they sound like. In this case, if I'm buying blind, I'd go by the frequency response: ?? Hz (Base) - ?? KHz (Treble).
Useful advice:
Frequency response: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eyVV-O3969c
Impedance: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMqlU2rUCqQ
Sensitivity: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cp714h0PAAw

Last edited by DonSmith (14-07-2014 13:58)