Topic: Again: Which Keyboard/Controller for Pianoteq?

After having read so many posts about the pros and cons concerning the best masterkeyboard (Numa Nero, Kawai MP10, Roland A-88, etc...) I am wondering which masterkeyboard(s) and controllers the developers of pianoteq are using, because they have to verify and test the entire set of features (e.g. four pedals, extended key-range beyond 88, hi-res MIDI...)?

Re: Again: Which Keyboard/Controller for Pianoteq?

Interesting question! There should be a sticky for piano controller reviews on the forum.

Re: Again: Which Keyboard/Controller for Pianoteq?

Yamaha CP33 I believe

Re: Again: Which Keyboard/Controller for Pianoteq?

Kawai MP8 forever! 88-wood keys make the difference between any master keyboard and a real one.  I use the Kawai MP8 to record anything, from Piano to Harpsichord, from El. Piano to Clavichord. Check some of my demo I posted on this forum. Specifically, Pianoteq 3 and 4 work perfectly in combination with the Kawai MP8, great dynamic control and fine fine response, especially for Classical music, in fact with this combination I performed some of my music concerts. When you practice and play effectively a little on this kind of keyboard, you cannot switch back, totally addicted!

This said, on the other hand, I play and played Pianoteq with any kind of master keyboards, always getting a great response and control, from a 61-key to a 88-key (not wooded) as you can see here recording on a CME UF80: http://youtu.be/eIoPywSt0ZQ?t=1m3s

It does not matter which keyboard, the Pianoteq's sound and control make the difference!

All the best,
Mistheria / www.mistheria.com

Last edited by Mistheria (19-12-2012 09:54)

Re: Again: Which Keyboard/Controller for Pianoteq?

Numa nero

Re: Again: Which Keyboard/Controller for Pianoteq?

Sorry for disrupt a bit the talking, but :

WOuld you like a 105 keys controller ?  (pianoteq's D4 have 105 keys)

Some people say it get too long...

So what about a arc keyboard instead of a straight keyboard ?

Last edited by Beto-Music (19-12-2012 00:25)

Re: Again: Which Keyboard/Controller for Pianoteq?

Beto-Music wrote:

Sorry for disrupt a bit the talking, but :

WOuld you like a 105 keys controller ?  (pianoteq's D4 have 105 keys)
Some people say it get too long...
So what about a arc keyboard instead of a straight keyboard ?

Well, I did not need by now, but if I need a 105-key master keyboard I'd buy it but... does it exist?! Moreover, what do you mean for "arc keyboard"?

Re: Again: Which Keyboard/Controller for Pianoteq?

Arc keyboard?  How about 360° . . the keyboardist for Lady (?) GaGa has one that is 88x3 in a complete circle.

Lanny

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LTECpiano wrote:

Arc keyboard?  How about 360° . . the keyboardist for Lady (?) GaGa has one that is 88x3 in a complete circle.

Lanny

Good and thanks for the info... but personally I don't need by now, working perfectly with standard Kawai MP8 wood keys, CME UF76 and UF80. I also played Pianoteq on my Keytar! ;-)

Re: Again: Which Keyboard/Controller for Pianoteq?

And Jean Michel Jarre had one 180 degree, or almost, If I remamber well.

It's fun to imagine the possibilities for a 360 degree keyboard. I imagine two persons in a rotational chair (like a fine office chair) and back to back, rotation and each one playing the scale in a complex song.

But my idea now is for a low degree arc, maybe cruved just in the sides (bass and trebble)

LTECpiano wrote:

Arc keyboard? How about 360° . . the keyboardist for Lady (?) GaGa has one that is 88x3 in a complete circle.

Lanny

Last edited by Beto-Music (20-12-2012 16:33)

Re: Again: Which Keyboard/Controller for Pianoteq?

Mistheria wrote:

Kawai MP8 forever! 88-wood keys make the difference between any master keyboard and a real one.  I use the Kawai MP8 to record anything, from Piano to Harpsichord, from El. Piano to Clavichord. Check some of my demo I posted on this forum. Specifically, Pianoteq 3 and 4 work perfectly in combination with the Kawai MP8, great dynamic control and fine fine response, especially for Classical music, in fact with this combination I performed some of my music concerts. When you practice and play effectively a little on this kind of keyboard, you cannot switch back, totally addicted!

This said, on the other hand, I play and played Pianoteq with any kind of master keyboards, always getting a great response and control, from a 61-key to a 88-key (not wooded) as you can see here recording on a CME UF80: http://youtu.be/eIoPywSt0ZQ?t=1m3s

It does not matter which keyboard, the Pianoteq's sound and control make the difference!

All the best,
Mistheria / www.mistheria.com

Hi Mistheria,

In your opinion, is the Kawai MP10 as good as the MP8?

Kindest Regards,

Chris

Last edited by sigasa (22-12-2012 23:19)

Re: Again: Which Keyboard/Controller for Pianoteq?

Hi Mistheria,

In your opinion, is the Kawai MP10 as good as the MP8?

Kindest Regards,

Chris

Sure, and even better...

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Kawai models have a very nice touch response.

But personally I found their piano sounds not great (just good), but too sampled feeling...  a bit like playing a library...  despite they claim to have string ressoance and other effects.

When get used with pianoteq start to feels like all sampled pianos are "too sampled"


But in their site I found some organs onboard their digital pianos:


http://www.kawai.net.au/digital/CA65


Can pianotep eletric pianos be adjusted to get a similar tone?

Last edited by Beto-Music (23-12-2012 18:41)

Re: Again: Which Keyboard/Controller for Pianoteq?

Beto-Music wrote:

Kawai models have a very nice touch response.

But personally I found their piano sounds not great (just good), but too sampled feeling...  a bit like playing a library...  despite they claim to have string ressoance and other effects.

When get used with pianoteq start to feels like all sampled pianos are "too sampled"

Hey, this thread is very old, but as I got my MP-10 yesterday, I answer here instead of opening a new one.

I am still a beginner on the piano, I made my decision only on the basis of the keyboard action as I could try it out in the local music store (they have virtually everything there). Sound of the boards is very difficult to judge in a store because the sound quality of the headphone outs is very different from piano to piano.

In terms of keyboard action I found the MP-10 the best playable for me, maybe also because I am used to the partly worn out, but very smooth action of my Technics P30.

For the sound of the internal pianos I absolutely agree to the posting above: The sounds are ok, but have a nasty tonality and absolutely lack the aliveness of the Pianoteq I have become familiar with over the last months.
At home I switched back and forth between the Kawai MP-10 pianos (only the first one being really good), the GEM RP-x module and Pianoteq 4.5 (U4 upright) and while the Kawai versus GEM (highly praised) is more a question of taste (I prefer GEM by a slight margin), none of those 2 can match the authentic feeling and sound of the Pianoteq.

Now I haven't recently tried the tup libraries like Alicias Keys, Vintage D etc., but I yet need to hear a sample based piano that does not have that "dead Sample" sound, more or less prominent.
The only big advantage of the internal sounds is that you do not rely on a computer. Otherwise I am an absolute fan of Pianoteq and hope that they will come out with further upgrades and improvements of sound over the next years.

Question: Does someone play Pianoteq over the MP-10 and have an optimized vel curve?

Bernie

Re: Again: Which Keyboard/Controller for Pianoteq?

IIRC, Kawai MP-10 has the action preceding that for Kawai VPC1, so download the VPC1's 'Editor' software, scan the Modartt-sanctioned curve for that KB, and there you should have a family resemblance.

Do for a start, anyway.

ADDED: what you'll have is a curve that's either less than, or more than, the diffs-away-from-diagonal that MP-10 needs. So make curves that are twice-as-much different, and half-as-much different, from diagonal as VPC1 is, and you can see which direction to correct in, by trying them.

Last edited by custral (13-10-2013 15:51)

Re: Again: Which Keyboard/Controller for Pianoteq?

I got a chance to play a Kawai CA65 a couple days ago.  I believe it's their "cheapest" model to use the Grand Feel action.  They are wooden keys like the MP10 but they are longer and thus have better leverage.
I find their take on "ivory feel" keys to be much more subtle than Roland or Casio's and feel great to me. They have tri-sensor pick ups, escapement action and three pedals with half damping.
  The negatives for me are; price, lack of pitch & mod wheels and the fact it's a cabinet style piano and not portable.  Maybe the next MP10 will include the grand feel action.  It's too bad the VPC-1 doesn't have it either.  I'm using a Kurzweil PC3x which has a Fatar 88 note weighted action.  It is a nice compromise for playing pianoteq and everything else.  I don't work for Kawai and I couldn't afford one ( ! ) but it's definitely the best piano action I've played on any keyboard.   My wife gives piano lessons...maybe I can sell her Yamaha P2 upright. 
   -Perry-

Last edited by Studiocat (14-10-2013 10:32)

Re: Again: Which Keyboard/Controller for Pianoteq?

Yamaha has a new digital which they claim has their best action in a stage piano.

http://usa.yamaha.com/products/musical-...cp4_stage/

Re: Again: Which Keyboard/Controller for Pianoteq?

I think you should check out this forum:

http://www.pianoworld.com/forum/ubbthre...p;%20.html

In my opinion, the best action is:

Yamaha GH, GH3 or GPA
Kawai RM3 Grand II or GF
Roland PHA-III

But as always, YMMV.