Topic: Hymn voicing

I record my children playing their practice MIDI organ at home for when they cannot play at our Church. I take those 3 midi files, swell, great and pedalboard and use those recordings to playback at our church. I have tried and failed to get a good registration on Organteq 2 to suit our church acoustic and our bass heavy PA system tends to give a muddy playback.

Our best solution is to lean towards a flute based registration. The great is always playing broken chords to keep the choir in time.

Organteq has so many options that I can spend days chasing a registration that I think works but at our church does not. We are a Catholic Church in Perth Western Australia playing traditional and more modern Catholic approved hymns.

Does anyone have experience in using Organteq for hymns? Is someone able to assist with some suggested registrations please.

I face the uncomfortable reality of explaining to my wife, who is also our choir leader, that the investment we made in Organteq may not have been the sure fire answer I thought it would be.

Thank you for listening to me.

Re: Hymn voicing

dpse wrote:

I record my children playing their practice MIDI organ at home for when they cannot play at our Church. I take those 3 midi files, swell, great and pedalboard and use those recordings to playback at our church. I have tried and failed to get a good registration on Organteq 2 to suit our church acoustic and our bass heavy PA system tends to give a muddy playback.

Our best solution is to lean towards a flute based registration. The great is always playing broken chords to keep the choir in time.

Organteq has so many options that I can spend days chasing a registration that I think works but at our church does not. We are a Catholic Church in Perth Western Australia playing traditional and more modern Catholic approved hymns.

Does anyone have experience in using Organteq for hymns? Is someone able to assist with some suggested registrations please.

I face the uncomfortable reality of explaining to my wife, who is also our choir leader, that the investment we made in Organteq may not have been the sure fire answer I thought it would be.

Thank you for listening to me.


Hello dpse and welcome to this Organteq forum

I have no problems playing hymns. here an example of registration. Melody in bas. I am looking for more examples later this evening. Have to search among 760 recordings...Have work now.
Do you use couplers? They give many possibilities to create more sound from all3 manuals together.

https://youtu.be/hXq6Fkzv2LU


Best wishes,

Stig

Re: Hymn voicing

That was beautiful.
I haven't explored couplers yet but I could see from that one recording they give a fuller sound without overpowering the tune.

On the eve of Good Friday I don't have a lot of spare time to experiment but I will as soon as my duties at Church are over for this Easter.

If you do have more examples that would be lovely.

Thank you for your kindness. I shall study your registration tonight.

Re: Hymn voicing

dpse wrote:

That was beautiful.
I haven't explored couplers yet but I could see from that one recording they give a fuller sound without overpowering the tune.

On the eve of Good Friday I don't have a lot of spare time to experiment but I will as soon as my duties at Church are over for this Easter.

If you do have more examples that would be lovely.

Thank you for your kindness. I shall study your registration tonight.


Here some more music
I suggest you visit my YouTube channel and search by word Organteq for example  or just scroll some hours....(Have 789 recordings Ptq/Orgtq and growing...)
You could upload some music on the other side Recordings featuring Ptq Orgtq.... so I could listen to your "problem"......

Edit.    I have no pedalboard yet, so I play the bas from manual on separat track 2 as a new recording and then playback both together. Using daw in Mac mini.

Couplers and some tremolo give a fuller sound


Playing Organteq and exploring sounds, stops, is a never-ending, lifelong, enjoyable hobby 

https://forum.modartt.com/viewtopic.php?id=12789

https://forum.modartt.com/viewtopic.php?id=12252

Best wishes,

Stig

Last edited by Pianoteqenthusiast (Yesterday 05:37)

Re: Hymn voicing

Stig's advice is always excellent.

I'd also add that OTQ is quite muddy by default for use within a church as the reverb gets quite intense.  Depending on the size of the space, you may wish to significantly dial down the reverb of any of the default organs (most of the OTQ organs appear to be designed to match an audience listening position--so the reverb includes the resonance of the organ loft, the early reflections/area around the case, and then the long tail of the rest of the space--all you need is enough resonance for the organ loft and maybe just a little extra if the church you're in is on the smaller side).

There are also ways to increase "clarity" and "presence" by altering EQ parameters, the stereo positioning and other settings of each division, and individual stop settings like brightness.

It's a little tricky to guess what exactly the space needs without hearing it or knowing more specifics of your system/setup (e.g. speaker placement/design and room size).

I wonder if Modartt will release presets that are better designed for better out-of-the-box use in medium to large churches--or maybe even microphone placement presets that work independently of the stock presets like in PTQ--or something similar that would allow easy swapping between the stoplists of different organs while maintaining more consistent general settings.  This seems to come up more and more regularly.

I also find that changing registration throughout a hymn does more for OTQ realism than "parking" on a single stop set for the duration; that does more than which stops are being used in my experience.  Either using the crescendo shoe or the combination system does wonders...

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