Damper Noise and slow key release realism

Hello, the "slightly longer, more selective tail of certain partials / harmonics after the main decay" you're mentioning is controlled by the parameter called "Damping duration". I suggest you to try lengthening it a bit and see if that's the effect you look after.

davidizquierdo82 wrote:

So I’m wondering if others hear the same thing.

Right now I have no way to tell one way or another.  Recently, I did encounter a seemingly similar problem, one like what yours seems.  My solution has been to lessen Damper noise but with a Humanize effect added to it.

It appears changed nearly on all my custom presets  —but always I'd made dramatic changes to Damping duration, that's a given.  (I've had necessarily to bring it way down countless times.)

Well as a fellow percussionist, specifically a drummer, I often find that I like to hear the nuances, the percussive and mechanical sounds from a solo piano piece played whenever as loudly as possible  —and also realistically.  I especially enjoy them out of old performances, however any that had been performed very energetically  —with allegro and allegro con brio, and with vivace.  More likely than not, the more robust the piece, the more in fact I'm going to like it.  I suppose really what I'm trying to say here amounts to my assertion that, in a nutshell, most if not all the noises from the dampers, pedals, and the key releases out of an old piece —being what I like to hear— should happen especially over all its loud passages!

I do have an example to share with you, and to which you may like to listen too.  It is "Carillon" performed by Vladimir Drozdov (1882 - 1960), that I posted into the very bottom of the thread Something about the bass notes.  (Incidentally, it was both mixed and mastered on iLoud Micro Monitors.)

Was the solution a different note-off curve, other damper-related parameters, or simply keeping Damper Noise very low?

Now I'm becoming very curious about what might had been your own findings...

Have you tried already, adjustments to Damper position?

I think we can see from this example that Pianoteq is currently lacking a global parameter linking function.

Focusing on OP's example, the expected effect can be simply achieved by linking the release velocity with Damper noise/Damping duration.

In addition, with the global parameter linking, we can also explore other interesting ways to play, such as linking parameters like Strike point/Impedance/Hammer Noise to Note On velocity, which I think must be very exciting!

say yes wrote:

I think we can see from this example that Pianoteq is currently lacking a global parameter linking function.

Focusing on OP's example, the expected effect can be simply achieved by linking the release velocity with Damper noise/Damping duration.

In addition, with the global parameter linking, we can also explore other interesting ways to play, such as linking parameters like Strike point/Impedance/Hammer Noise to Note On velocity, which I think must be very exciting!

Wrong, if you have only jumped to your conclusions, you've gotten actually nothing to indicate that PIANOTEQ software somehow behind the scenes is detaching Damper noise or even disconnecting Damping duration from the relevant MIDI velocities or by any stretch of the imagination such that don't appear registered inside either its NOTE-OFF or VELOCITY pane.

Besides, say yes, the example davidizquierdo82 chose to post is just his example of a sampled piano; not really anything taken directly from PIANOTEQ at all.  (Smile.)

davidizquierdo82  wrote:

I’m attaching an audio example from a sampled piano that illustrates more or less the behavior I’m expecting:

Does that sound consistent with your understanding of how Pianoteq currently handles it?

Already a little inconsistency does seem to present itself...

Do you plan a couple of examples from a solitary MIDI file, that had been rendered by both PIANOTEQ and piano samples?

What I’m hearing instead is that once Damper Noise is raised enough to get the slow-release effect I want, it also becomes too audible in situations where I would expect it to stay much more buried.

So ideally I would love to have some kind of response curve for Damper Noise intensity / volume as a function of note-off value, and maybe even note-on value too. That would make much more sense to me musically.

Try maybe to add the Humanize effect though for now only lowered from whatever Damper noise level normally you’d like…

Well guys, honestly, I just got to admit that you 'say yes' aren’t the only one who can make a mistake:  "Carillon" performed by Vladimir Drozdov (1882 - 1960), that I posted into the very bottom of the thread Something about the bass notes, was in order for me to post it, firstly, uploaded to SoundCloud, though it had ended up without a very important plugin instance (that is) one which I previously neglected to enable or use.  Now I've since made the necessary correction though.

Have a listen if presently you believe you can find any sort of unrealistic damper noise.  (Admittedly, I've had also a reservation about the noises.)