Topic: how do the pros use Pianoteq Pro?

recently i realized a dream and upgraded to pro.  it's awesome what the software is capable of, but i have to admit i'm more than a bit intimidated by all the new power at my disposal.

i was wondering: how do the pros here use Pianoteq Pro?  i know there's tons of stuff one do but i'm wondering what kind of beginner/intermediate things one can do to start to get into it.  for instance are there typical things pro users do routinely to tweak models for more realism/special effects/etc?

Re: how do the pros use Pianoteq Pro?

Some help here:

https://www.modartt.com/videos#tutorial

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budo wrote:

i was wondering: how do the pros here use Pianoteq Pro?  i know there's tons of stuff one do but i'm wondering what kind of beginner/intermediate things one can do to start to get into it.  for instance are there typical things pro users do routinely to tweak models for more realism/special effects/etc?

The old adage: "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" applies here, for me at least. It's not because all that power is available that you have to use all the features on all the pianos. It's easy to get lost in editing...and even forget why and where you started in the first place! Large changes in too many parameters at the same time tend to denature the sound, to make it worst...
I use the Pro features to fix something that bothers me. Usually, it applies to a small number of notes. If a few notes ring too much, or don't pop enough, I try one parameter at a time (typically Hammer hardness, Cutoff, impedance, and do small adjustments. I have also created a few Morphed pianos (without spending too much time on it) and I use them often. The power of Pro is that it allows  individual note or different note ranges to be edited separately. That is the main thing.

I know different users might try more extreme things, on tuning, string length, etc...but I prefer to spend as much time as possible PLAYING and RECORDING. But if something in the sound bothers me, the tools to fix it are there in Pro, and it is well worth the investment. However, recent versions of Pianoteq are so improved, that I find myself playing the basic factory presets more and more. And I can tell you, it is only getting better!

Last edited by aWc (11-10-2022 18:11)
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Re: how do the pros use Pianoteq Pro?

You got already some very reasonable advice. In general my first steps with the Pro version were guided by analyzing the presets already made by Modaart and looking how the changes modulated the sound. After gaining a bit of an insight I started building my own presets where I already knew where to look if I needed to bring the sound in a certain direction. Despite that I still find myself in some situation where I miss obvious changes that can "fix" the sound. So it's like anything else: you never stop learning.

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Yes, some excellent advice in the posts above. The note-edit feature is a great tool for subtle tweaks, and it's best to go in cautiously if you're aiming for a realistic piano sound. But then, if you're into sound design, there's no reason why you can't go crazy and mangle your pianos out of all recognition! I tend to do both. If I want a classical piano sound, I make only minimal changes to the default preset. But I also enjoy experimenting with weird tunings and fx, using Pianoteq a bit like a synth. There are the morphing and layering features as well, so you can create hybrid instruments. The possibilities are endless.

Re: how do the pros use Pianoteq Pro?

thanks for all the great advice!

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budo wrote:

thanks for all the great advice!

Seems to me if you want realism, you're better off just accepting what is thrown at you from Pianoteq, with minor changes for room acoustics.
But even an acoustic would exhibit those, and most would accept such.
The main feature pros use is their advanced level of playing.
They'd sound good on anything.

I'm playing all the right notes but not necessarily in the right order

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If you're wanting to emulate other makes and models of pianos in PTQ, then every setting is up for grabs and sometimes very wild preset note edit changes are called for across the board.  However, if you're just wanting to slightly groom the PTQ sound for recording, I'd recommend only changing settings that a piano technician would change in real life.  A technician will adjust tuning (as will the weather), unison width, octave stretching, etc. which are all under the tuning window.  Also, technicians can make adjustments to hammer hardness, which is under the voicing window.  Additionally, I turn off the limiter and any FXs, reduce the volume to -18 to -9dB depending on if it's orchestral or solo.  I use my own convolution reverbs as a rule (either onboard or outboard).  I adjust microphones like crazy, again emulating standard miking practices from real-world applications.  Those are the only things I'd touch if making a recording and still wanting to keep a particular instrument's character while modifying the sound--slightly--to fit your needs.  Keep changes very subtle and don't change something without having a purpose in doing so.

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Re: how do the pros use Pianoteq Pro?

I use Pro to soften the volume of the highest notes a bit; I do find them a little on the loud side. Sometimes I'll adjust the spectrum profile or hammer hardness for one or two keys. Otherwise, I use Pro to create 'prepared piano'-like effects.