Topic: Three questions about the Roland FP-30x

I am looking into getting my first digital piano and the Roland FP-30x was recommended to me. I had a couple of questions I hope you can help me with.

The first question I had, after watching this helpful review (https://youtu.be/hoNQVnxbHG8), was if you find it difficult to repeat notes quickly, and how you find it to play in general.  I'm a returning piano player, so at the moment I won't be going that fast, but I'd like to be able to do ornamentation (trills, for instance). The reviewer said that he hit a limit, but still he seems to like the action, but I've heard others say it was difficult to do ornamentation (I have also heard the opposite!).

Second, I was wondering whether anyone had any experience with the MIDI output. I was considering a Kawai VPC-1 controller at one point, but I read a post on the PianoTeq forum (https://forum.modartt.com/viewtopic.php?id=6886) that said it seemed to have problems with the "key weighting" and MIDI output. Does the FP-30x have any problems like this in your experience?

Lastly, a small technical question perhaps someone could help me with.  I would connect the FP-30x to my MacBook Pro 2015, which would be running PianoTeq in Logic Pro X.  How would I get the sound OUT from PianoTeq/Logic to my studio monitors (Yamaha HS5)?  I have a DAC (Focusrite Scarlett 2i2 at the moment), so I'd just set the Logic out to be the DAC and connect the studio monitors to that?

Thanks for any info!

Re: Three questions about the Roland FP-30x

It depends on how important the internal sounds are going to be to you.

if your aim is to use Pianoteq and other VSTs as the sound source then it seems likely to be a waste of extra cash to go for this one. FP-10 might be all you need or a rival.

Related thread:
https://forum.modartt.com/viewtopic.php?id=9709

Your Focusrite is already a sound interface - you would use that in the same way as you would for any other internal sounds. Consult the manual or look at reviews - you'll see how it's hooked up.

Line out or balanced connection depending on the active loudspeakers. For short domestic cables it normally doesn't matter which of these you choose.

Last edited by Key Fumbler (01-09-2022 19:08)

Re: Three questions about the Roland FP-30x

Key Fumbler wrote:

It depends on how important the internal sounds are going to be to you.

if your aim is to use Pianoteq and other VSTs as the sound source then it seems likely to be a waste of extra cash to go for this one. FP-10 might be all you need or a rival.

Related thread:
https://forum.modartt.com/viewtopic.php?id=9709

Your Focusrite is already a sound interface - you would use that in the same way as you would for any other internal sounds. Consult the manual or look at reviews - you'll see how it's hooked up.

Line out or balanced connection depending on the active loudspeakers. For short domestic cables it normally doesn't matter which of these you choose.

Thanks, that thread is helpful!  I was indeed looking at the FP-10, and the store said if I was just using it as a controller, then choose the 10 over the 30x.  The reason I was considering choosing the FP-30x was because the keys have a different, better finish, because it offers more pedal support, and because the 30x has more polyphony (which I suppose is only important if I use the onboard sounds, right?).  It also gives one the choice of using the onboard sounds and speakers if one ever wanted to.  In any case, the price isn't radically different between the two models.  Originally I had been looking at the A-88, as the user in the other post was, but the store said that indeed it had the same action as the FP10/30x.  And the VPC1 seems to have some issues as well.  I agree with the post you referred to, it doesn't seem worth it to get a pure controller...

(I am more than open to other suggestions, although that's a bit off-topic...)

Last edited by prelude (01-09-2022 20:17)

Re: Three questions about the Roland FP-30x

Its my understanding that it's exactly the same "ivory feel" PHA-4 keys on both 10 and 30x too. Otherwise why would Roland claim this themselves?
Shooting themselves in the foot otherwise surely?

Look at Casio too. They've been making digital pianos for such a long time. If you've got access to a physical store see if you can try a Casio action against the Roland and as many other options that your wallet will tolerate as possible.

My suspicions are that a perfectly set up VPC1 is in a different league because of the real piano action if it's in fine fettle, but that they might get out of whack in transport then give a less than stellar performance. IOW they need adjustment - I'm guessing.  It's just a hunch based on the conflicting reviews on this keyboard. 

VPC1 should out-trill those PHA-4 keyboards. mainly we are talking single key performance differences and velocity range/feel.

Re: Three questions about the Roland FP-30x

prelude wrote:

I am looking into getting my first digital piano and the Roland FP-30x was recommended to me. I had a couple of questions I hope you can help me with.

The first question I had, after watching this helpful review (https://youtu.be/hoNQVnxbHG8), was if you find it difficult to repeat notes quickly, and how you find it to play in general.  I'm a returning piano player, so at the moment I won't be going that fast, but I'd like to be able to do ornamentation (trills, for instance). The reviewer said that he hit a limit, but still he seems to like the action, but I've heard others say it was difficult to do ornamentation (I have also heard the opposite!).

Second, I was wondering whether anyone had any experience with the MIDI output. I was considering a Kawai VPC-1 controller at one point, but I read a post on the PianoTeq forum (https://forum.modartt.com/viewtopic.php?id=6886) that said it seemed to have problems with the "key weighting" and MIDI output. Does the FP-30x have any problems like this in your experience?

Lastly, a small technical question perhaps someone could help me with.  I would connect the FP-30x to my MacBook Pro 2015, which would be running PianoTeq in Logic Pro X.  How would I get the sound OUT from PianoTeq/Logic to my studio monitors (Yamaha HS5)?  I have a DAC (Focusrite Scarlett 2i2 at the moment), so I'd just set the Logic out to be the DAC and connect the studio monitors to that?

Thanks for any info!

You don't need the Focusrite or any DAC. You can just connect the FP30x directly to the computer running Pianoteq. That's what I did with my RP 501, which is one model older than the FP30, in a console instead of a slab. It works flawlessly.

I just turned the piano's own volume down to zero. I connected my headphones to the computer instead of the piano. If I want to play through the separate speakers (to record, etc.) I just plug the cord from the main speaker into the laptop, instead of the headphones.

Very simple.

The FP30x has better connectivity tham my piano. You won't have any problems.

Yes, the Roland PHA4 action is on many of their piano. In the FP series, only the 90x has the better hybrid action, with wooden keys. I can't speak to playing rapid trills on it because my skill level isn't there yet.

I love the PHA4 and it has worked perfectly for me. Not everyone feels this way, but it's a very popular and respected keyboard/action. One problem many people have had is that the keys started to click. Kawaii's ES110 has this problem, too. I hear that it's common among keyboards with plastic keys.

I've had my piano for a year, and never had this problem, so it's not universal.

If you can afford the FP90x, it's really a piano of the first order. It would do everything you want it to do. People I know who have it say it's incredible, and it has gotten superb reviews.

Last edited by BarbaraRB (02-09-2022 03:07)

Re: Three questions about the Roland FP-30x

I have a Kawai but tried Roland at the store and the latter's action speed seems a bit slower. I tried also the expensive DPs and they weren't much better but I'm certain the former is a bit faster.

Re: Three questions about the Roland FP-30x

Doremi wrote:

I have a Kawai but tried Roland at the store and the latter's action speed seems a bit slower. I tried also the expensive DPs and they weren't much better but I'm certain the former is a bit faster.

Hi Doremi,
Which Kawai, which Roland?
It's somewhat meaningless without that detail. In the "slab" models only the top of the range model has a different key action.

I watched a few minutes of the videos on the Casio GP hybrid grand pianos. Those lacked the escapement of the much more expensive top Roland hybrid grands but were actually regarded as being a little faster for trilling with their real Bechstein concert grand keys, and still a big step up from the digitals most of us will experience.

A second hand Casio GP might be a sound purchase - if it's in good condition, and you take the risk with the lack of warranty. That said they are physically too imposing for a lot of users - more of a piece of furniture, less studio friendly.
Most of us probably want something that's a slab to combine with other studio gear, and other keyboards.

VPC1 still looking the best bet for a genuine substantial step up if we want to use it in a studio setting, but the negative stories here don't instill much faith!

Then there's the cost no object light sensor keyboard Modartt promote - haven't won the lottery yet though, playing it might help - the lottery not the keyboard!

Last edited by Key Fumbler (03-09-2022 20:06)

Re: Three questions about the Roland FP-30x

Key Fumbler wrote:
Doremi wrote:

I have a Kawai but tried Roland at the store and the latter's action speed seems a bit slower. I tried also the expensive DPs and they weren't much better but I'm certain the former is a bit faster.

Hi Doremi,
Which Kawai, which Roland?
It's somewhat meaningless without that detail. In the "slab" models only the top of the range model has a different key action.

I watched a few minutes of the videos on the Casio GP hybrid grand pianos. Those lacked the escapement of the much more expensive top Roland hybrid grands but were actually regarded as being a little faster for trilling with their real Bechstein concert grand keys, and still a big step up from the digitals most of us will experience.

A second hand Casio GP might be a sound purchase - if it's in good condition, and you take the risk with the lack of warranty. That said they are physically too imposing for a lot of users - more of a piece of furniture, less studio friendly.
Most of us probably want something that's a slab to combine with other studio gear, and other keyboards.

VPC1 still looking the best bet for a genuine substantial step up if we want to use it in a studio setting, but the negative stories here don't instill much faith!

Then there's the cost no object light sensor keyboard Modartt promote - haven't won the lottery yet though, playing it might help - the lottery not the keyboard!

The Casio GPs do sound incredible!