Topic: Roland RD-2000EX and V-piano

Hi all!

I am about to purchase a new e.piano. At home I'll play PTQ etc. with it and on gigs I'll probably use its own internal sounds.

Roland RD-2000EX seems to be one of the most interesting options. I have FP80 in my class and I like it's action (I suppose it's same or very close to RD2000ex).

New 2000EX has V-piano engine inside. Does anybody here have experience with it? Compared to Roland's "Supernatural Pianos" how good is it? On 2009 I remember well the hype when original V-piano came and I too was close to buy it. But it didn't happen because it was too pricey, too heavy and clumsy.

Re: Roland RD-2000EX and V-piano

Ecaroh wrote:

Hi all!

I am about to purchase a new e.piano. At home I'll play PTQ etc. with it and on gigs I'll probably use its own internal sounds.

Roland RD-2000EX seems to be one of the most interesting options. I have FP80 in my class and I like it's action (I suppose it's same or very close to RD2000ex).

New 2000EX has V-piano engine inside. Does anybody here have experience with it? Compared to Roland's "Supernatural Pianos" how good is it? On 2009 I remember well the hype when original V-piano came and I too was close to buy it. But it didn't happen because it was too pricey, too heavy and clumsy.

If it's like my Roland FP90 - which has a great action (PHA-50) which is in many of Roland's more expensive digital grands and is a step up from the FP80, the modeled piano sounds are definitely inferior to Pianoteq - you can hear artifacts of artificiality, but it still sounds good. The new FP90X probably has pianos that are more likely to fool your ear. The FP90X also has the PHA-50 action.

Roland's newest most expensive digital grand, the GP-9M, has an action with a new name - "Piano Reality Hybrid Concert Keyboard" It's supposedly similar to the PHA-50 (I'm told), but it has a longer key length. It sells for about $16,000, and it's definitely not portable.

Good luck.

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Re: Roland RD-2000EX and V-piano

Ecaroh wrote:

Roland RD-2000EX seems to be one of the most interesting options. I have FP80 in my class and I like it's action (I suppose it's same or very close to RD2000ex).

New 2000EX has V-piano engine inside. Does anybody here have experience with it? Compared to Roland's "Supernatural Pianos" how good is it? On 2009 I remember well the hype when original V-piano came and I too was close to buy it. But it didn't happen because it was too pricey, too heavy and clumsy.

Here’s a video about it.

You might find this comment on that video to be relevant:

Having a/b'ed the German concert expansion against the FP90x, the expanded RD2000 is much better. The FP90x is just a slightly boring, uninspiring sound, whereas the German expansion's Steinway character is very obvious to anyone who's spent much time with the real thing. It's not perfect but it is a big step forward. Roland really ought to upgrade the FP90x sounds to give more character, they are very underwhelming for a flagship instrument

Re: Roland RD-2000EX and V-piano

Thx! Interesting video! I play pop/rock/jazz on gigs and in that situation reliability, touch, playability, expressiveness are first priorities. And of course sound too but subtle nuances like resonances aren’t that important like they are in the studio. I know Roland (*) and its basic sound. Soundwise I have long preferred Nord and their great piano library. But I already have a Nord Stage. The new piano I am looking for would give me more pianolike controller for home and more pianolike instrument fir gigs. Also Nord has the new Grand 2 but IMO it’s overpriced, a bit clumsy and lacking some important features.

*) A bit of personal gear history: As a long time gigging musician I have had Roland RD-600, RD-700SX and RD-700GX before I went to Nords. After that move I have stucked to Nord Stage line (Stage 2, Stage 3 and now Stage 4) for gigging. At home (besides acoustic Kawai) I have had original Nord Grand and Kawai CS-7 (both gone). As said at the moment I have Roland FP80 at my class room which I like but which is a bit boring in terms of sound. That's why I was curious about new RD-2000ex.

Last edited by Ecaroh (02-12-2024 08:19)

Re: Roland RD-2000EX and V-piano

Ecaroh wrote:

*) A bit of personal gear history: As a long time gigging musician I have had Roland RD-600, RD-700SX and RD-700GX before I went to Nords. After that move I have stucked to Nord Stage line (Stage 2, Stage 3 and now Stage 4) for gigging. At home (besides acoustic Kawai) I have had original Nord Grand and Kawai CS-7 (both gone). As said at the moment I have Roland FP80 at my class room which I like but which is a bit boring in terms of sound. That's why I was curious about new RD-2000ex.

That's a lot of gear! Hope you'll find the instrument you need. Personally I'm "re-evaluating" the Roland xv-2020 module which is capable of going from pop/rock/jazz to mind-blowing, experimental sound design (with 64MB memory), storing up to 128 user patches, layering a bunch of stuff. I don't know. Someone put miniDexed into RD-300 chassis. Maybe you can install an iPad running Pianoteq into your favorite 88-key controller. And if you have wi-fi you can post on the forum from that...how does it sound?

In my little experience with an old Roland FP stage piano from the past two decades I feel that Roland still has "the best" keybed but not "the best" sounds. Now, when it comes to reviewers because you can't try the instrument by yourself in peace at the store or you can't decide, it's so funny! I found out that, for myself, I needed to hear actually experienced musicians who maybe happen to put videos reviewing products but are not sponsored/don't base their life on reviewing gear on the internet. While being professionals they are also able to communicate frankly since not tied to the industry and usually have small (but no less respectful) channels.

I didn't know the gentleman in the video up here but he shared ideas in common with what I heard from another one about the predecessor RD-2000. In general, I have the feeling that the time spent with the instrument by reviewers, at least in this kind of edited videos, is too short in comparison to the time spent by Roland to create such piano monsters but ok. Sometimes you can understand more by listening to an hour of improvised streaming with chat enabled with unknown people on YouTube than listening to 10 "reviews" from 10 different channels with 100k+ subscribers each (or, by enjoying Tiago Mallen's factory sounds / no talking videos, for example).

However I think the problem isn't just that there is too much talking and that with music and gear it's all subjective - no, this is a too easy, reductionist objection. It's almost impossible to explain what the matter is with both digital instruments and normal musicians needs, their performance, how suitable in studio music production, if piercing through the mix in a live band with sounds coming out from PA, or other means, all kinds of levels.

This point of "personal" relationship with the instrument is genuinely addressed by Enzo Messina in his own keyboards reviews, constantly, and without going into technical details of synth engines, but trying to describe in such a way that even non-musicians can understand (and mayyyybe follow his channel then), which is why I like listening to him demoing "new" products each week whether I need to buy anything or not (for the record, he collaborates with Viscount)

His RD-2000 review is also worth listening to if you are interested. I have no idea if I hear "artifacts of artificiality" or if it's inferior to Pianoteq to be honest. It's another digital instrument. Curiously I also found an user's comment that sums it up pretty much, mentioning Pianoteq right in Enzo's review of the Roland RD-2000EX (link above). Here's an automatic translation of the comment

There is no doubt that the RD-2000ex is a wonderful instrument. I literally shudder, not to say disgusted, at Roland's policy of selling hot air at mind-boggling prices. Unfortunately, Nord has set the standard high and, now, to have a stage piano you have to spend no less than €3,500-4,000. I find this simply shameful. The day a stage piano incorporates a physical modeling synthesis engine like Pianoteq, which does not require excessive resources to function, will be the end of all these "golden coffins". I fear, however, that this day will never come, because I imagine the war that would ensue.

But again if I were to say mine, I don't fully agree with the customer being always right motto here. Say, just because a software doesn't require excessive resource to function it doesn't mean that the chip material must be cheap... (pun intended)

Best regards.