Topic: New user, piano technician with ProRecord on acoustic grand

Hey Everybody,

New user here, 30 year professional piano technician that worked for several piano stores and did concert and repair/rebuilding work. Been out of the virtual instrument world for a while and was looking around to see what was new and current in the piano emulation department. I have a 1929 Baldwin 'C' 6'3" grand piano that I have rebuilt, new strings, hammers, dampers, action felt, key bushings, the works. I have a Pianodisc ProRecord MIDI module installed on it for quiet time playing that, while a pretty good optical sensor setup that has a decent amount of dynamic control, has absolutely horrible programmed piano patches. So the search was on for a better piano patch to trigger through the MIDI interface.

Tried a few 'virtual pianos' through the MIDI interface to my laptop and some were quite good, but it always came back to my criticism of the piano patch note for note. On many, you can hear when the sample markedly changes after a range of notes, sounding like a different instrument in different tonal regions. Sustain was a weak area on several VSTs as well, harmonics wouldn't blend under full pedal but mush together or worse, trail off prematurely. Note volumes were inconsistent on some patches, dying off in the top treble and booming too much in the bass. Note for note tone could be inconsistent, something I can change on acoustic instruments, not so much on digital ones.

When I came across Pianoteq 8 and found the individual note control, dynamic curve and voicing features... that was it. Search over. This is the stuff I do on acoustic pianos every day... adjusting hammer voicing, balancing tonal response across the instrument, maximizing dynamic response through action part regulation and bringing the tuning/regulation/voicing together to create a complete responsive instrument. Now I can change and adjust this through the interface in minutes, not hours reshaping and needling the felt hammers and dialing in action part adjustments. All at the individual note level, not just changing EQ settings for a section. And I'm narrowly focusing on the piano tone through binaural mode, not even playing with the microphone type and placement features yet.

And the fact it's modelled not sampled means I'm not maxxing out the HDD. Brilliant stuff! Now I need to justify the Pro version over the Standard...

If I have one quibble, it's the interface window,  I can't maximize it to full screen in Windows and enlarging the magnification just cuts off the bottom of the screen. Would like to have a full screen option, unless it's there and I've overlooked it.

Last edited by vorpal (22-11-2024 21:52)
1929 Baldwin C 6'3" grand with ProRecord module
Pianoteq Pro 8.4 iPad Mini + USB Cable

Re: New user, piano technician with ProRecord on acoustic grand

There is a “full screen” mode in pianoteq, but you're right it's not a reel full screen, a very large area of the screen is unused. I'm hoping for a reel full-screen mode with each new version.
I was always fascinated by piano tuners and piano technicians, and I've just seen a very interesting documentary about this.   
 
https://youtu.be/CHuCXEFvg90?si=JksLy61iCzG325fv
It is not free but very intersting.

Re: New user, piano technician with ProRecord on acoustic grand

I can’t verify if this works on windows, but with Pianoteq on MacOS you can “pull off” some of the frames.

Re: New user, piano technician with ProRecord on acoustic grand

vorpal wrote:

Hey Everybody,

New user here, 30 year professional piano technician that worked for several piano stores and did concert and repair/rebuilding work. Been out of the virtual instrument world for a while and was looking around to see what was new and current in the piano emulation department. I have a 1929 Baldwin 'C' 6'3" grand piano that I have rebuilt, new strings, hammers, dampers, action felt, key bushings, the works. I have a Pianodisc ProRecord MIDI module installed on it for quiet time playing that, while a pretty good optical sensor setup that has a decent amount of dynamic control, has absolutely horrible programmed piano patches. So the search was on for a better piano patch to trigger through the MIDI interface.

Tried a few 'virtual pianos' through the MIDI interface to my laptop and some were quite good, but it always came back to my criticism of the piano patch note for note. On many, you can hear when the sample markedly changes after a range of notes, sounding like a different instrument in different tonal regions. Sustain was a weak area on several VSTs as well, harmonics wouldn't blend under full pedal but mush together or worse, trail off prematurely. Note volumes were inconsistent on some patches, dying off in the top treble and booming too much in the bass. Note for note tone could be inconsistent, something I can change on acoustic instruments, not so much on digital ones.

When I came across Pianoteq 8 and found the individual note control, dynamic curve and voicing features... that was it. Search over. This is the stuff I do on acoustic pianos every day... adjusting hammer voicing, balancing tonal response across the instrument, maximizing dynamic response through action part regulation and bringing the tuning/regulation/voicing together to create a complete responsive instrument. Now I can change and adjust this through the interface in minutes, not hours reshaping and needling the felt hammers and dialing in action part adjustments. All at the individual note level, not just changing EQ settings for a section. And I'm narrowly focusing on the piano tone through binaural mode, not even playing with the microphone type and placement features yet.

And the fact it's modelled not sampled means I'm not maxxing out the HDD. Brilliant stuff! Now I need to justify the Pro version over the Standard...

If I have one quibble, it's the interface window,  I can't maximize it to full screen in Windows and enlarging the magnification just cuts off the bottom of the screen. Would like to have a full screen option, unless it's there and I've overlooked it.


”When I came across Pianoteq 8 and found the individual note control, dynamic curve and voicing features... that was it. Search over. This is the stuff I do on acoustic pianos every day... adjusting hammer voicing, balancing tonal response across the instrument, maximizing dynamic response through action part regulation and bringing the tuning/regulation/voicing together to create a complete responsive instrument. Now I can change and adjust this through the interface in minutes, not hours reshaping and needling the felt hammers and dialing in action part adjustments. All at the individual note level, not just changing EQ settings for a section”


Wonderful reading! Nice to read about a person who not only understands the ”ingredients” of Ptq but can also use them, all.

Welcome vorpal, to the forum.
Eagerly waiting to hear music made with your adjustments with your skills. Hope to see you in the sub forum Recordings featuring Pianoteq and Organteq, listening to your recordings.

Best wishes,

Stig

Re: New user, piano technician with ProRecord on acoustic grand

Thanks for the replies and welcome. Still playing with the grands and building a Preset Library I like... not much of a player so I don't know if I'll subject everyone to my keyboard butchery in the uploads section

I found the full screen toggle: Window -> Toggle Full Screen (ctrl + shft + f)

Got the ASIO driver working in Windows 11 and got the output to run to the headphones... had to disable the Realtek speaker output and enable output 2 instead. Now I can up the sample rate and audio buffer size and not have key latency issues like the Windows drivers were doing. Much improved response now.

1929 Baldwin C 6'3" grand with ProRecord module
Pianoteq Pro 8.4 iPad Mini + USB Cable

Re: New user, piano technician with ProRecord on acoustic grand

vorpal wrote:

Hey Everybody,

New user here, 30 year professional piano technician that worked for several piano stores and did concert and repair/rebuilding work. ...

Greetings!

I'm new here, too, and also a piano tech... well... I used to be.    Kinda retired from that about 20 years ago, life got busy with too many other things. I still do an occasional tuning and pencilectomy.   But for the most part, I'm out of it. Have considered seeing if I could get going again, maybe on a limited basis, but not sure if I want it that badly. There is definitely a lack of good tuner / tech types in my area. Then again, there is a lot of junk in my area that I wouldn't really wanna tune and not a lot of money here, either.

Have been playing in a band with a Roland RD-2000 and that's gone really well. But I'm lookin' to see if the Black Friday sale will bring me into the fold of Pianoteq in a bigger way. Have been messin' with the demo but want more.

Re: New user, piano technician with ProRecord on acoustic grand

Bellyman wrote:

But I'm lookin' to see if the Black Friday sale will bring me into the fold of Pianoteq in a bigger way. Have been messin' with the demo but want more.


Also waiting for a sale... getting tired of timing out and racking back the timer on the demo

1929 Baldwin C 6'3" grand with ProRecord module
Pianoteq Pro 8.4 iPad Mini + USB Cable