Topic: Selling Pianoteq 8 Standard + 4 packs (=7 packs)

Hello everyone,

I am selling my beloved Pianoteq 8 Standard licence. It has been my favourite virtual instrument for years and has given me a lot of joy. As I'm taking my next step and buying an upright, which I want to make my sole musical focus, I'm letting my Pianoteq find a new home.

The following packages are included:

- Steinway Model D
- Petrof AP275 + P284
- Harp
- Steingraeber E-272
- U4 upright piano
- Karsten collection
- Electric pianos

Price: 299€
(NP: 269€ + 4*49€ = 465€)

For the German people, here is my ad in the Kleinanzeigen website.
https://www.kleinanzeigen.de/s-anzeige/...92-74-3460

Re: Selling Pianoteq 8 Standard + 4 packs (=7 packs)

vanluke wrote:

Hello everyone,

I am selling my beloved Pianoteq 8 Standard licence. It has been my favourite virtual instrument for years and has given me a lot of joy. As I'm taking my next step and buying an upright, which I want to make my sole musical focus, I'm letting my Pianoteq find a new home.

The following packages are included:

- Steinway Model D
- Petrof AP275 + P284
- Harp
- Steingraeber E-272
- U4 upright piano
- Karsten collection
- Electric pianos

Price: 299€
(NP: 269€ + 4*49€ = 465€)

For the German people, here is my ad in the Kleinanzeigen website.
https://www.kleinanzeigen.de/s-anzeige/...92-74-3460

You will miss the choice you now have.  You'll enjoy your acoustic but they come with their own problems as you'll well know.
Yesterday, I enjoyed trying  two B1s, one silent, the other not.
There was a difference in tone between them when played normally, but there could have been many reasons for this.
On my digital I can vary the touch (and therefore the tone) which will impinge on the Pianoteq device I'm using,
I can of course adjust that easily enough.  But on the acoustic?  Stuck with it!
For my own part, I didn't feel there was much difference between my PT Grotrian played through bookshelf speakers, and the acoustic.
I was rather glad about that!

I'm playing all the right notes but not necessarily in the right order

Re: Selling Pianoteq 8 Standard + 4 packs (=7 packs)

Thats a good offer imo and I love the selections you have made except for the harp maybe, but I kind of also think you are making a mistake selling it. Good luck with the upright.I have thought about getting an upright too, but I kind of feel like it comes with so many downsides I would regret it.

1. heavy
2. needs to be tuned and maintained.
3. Loud (hope you live alone)
4. Expensive, you have to spend a lot to reach near pianoteq level of quality

I would concider a silent piano, or a hybrid digital. I use a CSP-170 with pianoteq on ipadOS. If I crank up the volume on PTQ I get a very convinsing experience in my opinion. A good action and speakers inside the cabinett makes the experience much more autentic. There are likely better options than my CSP aswell.

Anyway, good luck!

Re: Selling Pianoteq 8 Standard + 4 packs (=7 packs)

snurrfint wrote:

Thats a good offer imo and I love the selections you have made except for the harp maybe, but I kind of also think you are making a mistake selling it. Good luck with the upright.I have thought about getting an upright too, but I kind of feel like it comes with so many downsides I would regret it.

1. heavy
2. needs to be tuned and maintained.
3. Loud (hope you live alone)
4. Expensive, you have to spend a lot to reach near pianoteq level of quality

I would concider a silent piano, or a hybrid digital. I use a CSP-170 with pianoteq on ipadOS. If I crank up the volume on PTQ I get a very convinsing experience in my opinion. A good action and speakers inside the cabinett makes the experience much more autentic. There are likely better options than my CSP aswell.

Anyway, good luck!

I am not sure I full agree on all points here . For sure  if you consider the convenience factor , the digital setup is a winner , but it comes to quality of sound , there is no comparison in my imho . No matter which DP you use , which sound system you use and how much you spend on speakers , you won’t produce a better sound than a new U3 ( 10k) or a well maintained (~5k) upright .
Moreover when it comes to making economic comparisons, the price of acquisition is not the best metric . What you have to consider is the TCO ( total cost of ownership) a good upright ´depreciation curve is quite attractive compared to a DP who don’t keep their value over time .  I am big fan of pianoteq , but if you are prepared to accept the maintenance and the noise , then it’s overall a much  better authentic experience .

Last edited by Pianistically (01-09-2024 16:24)

Re: Selling Pianoteq 8 Standard + 4 packs (=7 packs)

Pianistically wrote:
snurrfint wrote:

Thats a good offer imo and I love the selections you have made except for the harp maybe, but I kind of also think you are making a mistake selling it. Good luck with the upright.I have thought about getting an upright too, but I kind of feel like it comes with so many downsides I would regret it.

1. heavy
2. needs to be tuned and maintained.
3. Loud (hope you live alone)
4. Expensive, you have to spend a lot to reach near pianoteq level of quality

I would concider a silent piano, or a hybrid digital. I use a CSP-170 with pianoteq on ipadOS. If I crank up the volume on PTQ I get a very convinsing experience in my opinion. A good action and speakers inside the cabinett makes the experience much more autentic. There are likely better options than my CSP aswell.

Anyway, good luck!

I am not sure I full agree on all points here . For sure  if you consider the convenience factor , the digital setup is a winner , but it comes to quality of sound , there is no comparison in my imho . No matter which DP you use , which sound system you use and how much you spend on speakers , you won’t produce a better sound than a new U3 ( 10k) or a well maintained (~5k) upright .
Moreover when it comes to making economic comparisons, the price of acquisition is not the best metric . What you have to consider is the TCO ( total cost of ownership) a good upright ´depreciation curve is quite attractive compared to a DP who don’t keep their value over time .  I am big fan of pianoteq , but if you are prepared to accept the maintenance and the noise , then it’s overall a much  better authentic experience .

It can't get more autentic than an actual piano. Thats correct. And if that is all you need, then by all means go for it. Im not trying to convince you not to go for the upright, im just saying you might find the licence useful even after for various reasons. In fact, I would love to own a good maintained upright myself.

I a bit surpriced that you think an upright hold its value better or even have better TCO. You can get upright pianos from the 60s and 70s for practially no money at all today while keyboards, digital pianos and electric pianos from that time will cost you a fortune. In order for the upright piano to hold some of its value you would have to spend money on maintanence and repairs, not to mention the 200-400$ yearly cost of tuning. After 10 years the TCO of a 5k piano is 10k not counting the value it lost during that time.

My last digital lasted me a good 15 years or so, and was in near perfect condition when I sold it for almost half the price I got it for, without spending a single dime on it. With new speakers and pianoteq, it could have lasted me another 20 years no doubt, but I wanted something more suitable for the living room.

A restored Steinway grand is littlerally half the price of a new one, and thats after someone spent quite hefty amount on repairs, new parts and voicings etc.

Re: Selling Pianoteq 8 Standard + 4 packs (=7 packs)

snurrfint wrote:
Pianistically wrote:
snurrfint wrote:

Thats a good offer imo and I love the selections you have made except for the harp maybe, but I kind of also think you are making a mistake selling it. Good luck with the upright.I have thought about getting an upright too, but I kind of feel like it comes with so many downsides I would regret it.

1. heavy
2. needs to be tuned and maintained.
3. Loud (hope you live alone)
4. Expensive, you have to spend a lot to reach near pianoteq level of quality

I would concider a silent piano, or a hybrid digital. I use a CSP-170 with pianoteq on ipadOS. If I crank up the volume on PTQ I get a very convinsing experience in my opinion. A good action and speakers inside the cabinett makes the experience much more autentic. There are likely better options than my CSP aswell.

Anyway, good luck!

I am not sure I full agree on all points here . For sure  if you consider the convenience factor , the digital setup is a winner , but it comes to quality of sound , there is no comparison in my imho . No matter which DP you use , which sound system you use and how much you spend on speakers , you won’t produce a better sound than a new U3 ( 10k) or a well maintained (~5k) upright .
Moreover when it comes to making economic comparisons, the price of acquisition is not the best metric . What you have to consider is the TCO ( total cost of ownership) a good upright ´depreciation curve is quite attractive compared to a DP who don’t keep their value over time .  I am big fan of pianoteq , but if you are prepared to accept the maintenance and the noise , then it’s overall a much  better authentic experience .

It can't get more autentic than an actual piano. Thats correct. And if that is all you need, then by all means go for it. Im not trying to convince you not to go for the upright, im just saying you might find the licence useful even after for various reasons. In fact, I would love to own a good maintained upright myself.

I a bit surpriced that you think an upright hold its value better or even have better TCO. You can get upright pianos from the 60s and 70s for practially no money at all today while keyboards, digital pianos and electric pianos from that time will cost you a fortune. In order for the upright piano to hold some of its value you would have to spend money on maintanence and repairs, not to mention the 200-400$ yearly cost of tuning. After 10 years the TCO of a 5k piano is 10k not counting the value it lost during that time.

My last digital lasted me a good 15 years or so, and was in near perfect condition when I sold it for almost half the price I got it for, without spending a single dime on it. With new speakers and pianoteq, it could have lasted me another 20 years no doubt, but I wanted something more suitable for the living room.

A restored Steinway grand is literally half the price of a new one, and thats after someone spent quite hefty amount on repairs, new parts and voicings etc.

I was referring to Upright pianos such as the U3 and U1 or similar.  Low cost     uprights depreciate way more , this is true, but the same applies to the digital pianos. I would be very surprised if you can resell a a  Yamaha P125 or a Kawai ES120 after 10 years at half the price. Not even sure you can resell them at all because their entry level action don't resist the outrage of time. 

Moreover , the key difference is that a good upright well maintained will last forever whereby digital pianos  are prone to  obsolescence because the internal sound engine be it modelling or sampling becomes quickly outdated. Bear in mind that the majority of digital piano buyers buy for convenience and don't use software virtual instruments at all.

Re: Selling Pianoteq 8 Standard + 4 packs (=7 packs)

Thank you for your comments and perspectives. An interesting discussion. I have been oscillating between these two "poles" regarding the piano: the mechanical, non-digital experiencia vs. the digital flexibility. 
For instance when I play at a friend's house with his CP80, it is a beautiful experience to feel how the instrument sounds and resonates. So in the long run I'd like to achieve a similar connection with an instrument, even though I know it will come at a price. And is a process of searching for that connection.

However, after much consideration, I decided to keep Pianoteq and benefit from its power and continue recording.
So I'll keep it close to me and at the same time slowly work on the mechanical setup. For now, not one or the other, but both.

Thanks to you all!