Topic: Modartt, are you considering making a physical model of a Hammond B3?

I should be very happy with a B3 model, preferably in Pianoteq (or perhaps Organteq)! Saves me a separate app on my laptop or a phsysical module! What are your thoughts about this Modartt?

Re: Modartt, are you considering making a physical model of a Hammond B3?

gs.kroon@gmail.com wrote:

I should be very happy with a B3 model, preferably in Pianoteq (or perhaps Organteq)! Saves me a separate app on my laptop or a phsysical module! What are your thoughts about this Modartt?

That's a radically different proposition to physically modelling the behaviour of church organ pipes.

"based on physical model. By capturing the complex physics of flue and reed pipes"

Modartt do go to lengths to describe the specific nature of Organteq and I do not think that is by accident. I think it is to differentiate it from electric organ modelling.
It would be Organteq in name only. However I do think a lot of folks were hoping that's what Organteq was going to be - Any types of organs.

So don't hold your breath on that one. I think it could actually be more popular though - unless that market is too saturated?

Edit
An article for you:
https://v2.puremix.com/blog/hammond-org...20in%20it.

Arturia and GSI have modelled versions, IKs might be modelling (or hybrid) too. UAD in the article.

Last edited by Key Fumbler (22-11-2023 15:38)

Re: Modartt, are you considering making a physical model of a Hammond B3?

gs.kroon@gmail.com wrote:

I should be very happy with a B3 model, preferably in Pianoteq (or perhaps Organteq)! Saves me a separate app on my laptop or a phsysical module! What are your thoughts about this Modartt?

Hello gs.kroon,

I am not from Modartt (which is a wonderful company with wonderful people), but while we wait for a B3 model, which I personally think is possible, we can experiment with what we have. I already made hammond-like sounds with Orgtq 1 and am now experimenting with Orgtq 2 to go even further (and with different trumpet sounds) As i have learned since 2013, with all news from Modartt, nothing is said in advance so we just have to wait
Here an example

https://forum.modartt.com/uploads.php?f...ammond.mp3

Best wishes,

Stig

Last edited by Pianoteqenthusiast (22-11-2023 18:16)

Re: Modartt, are you considering making a physical model of a Hammond B3?

B3 seems unlikely, but then Modartt are full of surprises - such as the Classical Guitar model, which kind of came out of the blue! There is already an Experimental section in Organteq 2, which maybe hints at some exploration of electronic organ sounds in the future - but I don't work for Modartt, so I have no idea.

Re: Modartt, are you considering making a physical model of a Hammond B3?

Key Fumbler wrote:
Pianoteqenthusiast wrote:
gs.kroon@gmail.com wrote:

I should be very happy with a B3 model, preferably in Pianoteq (or perhaps Organteq)! Saves me a separate app on my laptop or a phsysical module! What are your thoughts about this Modartt?

Hello gs.kroon,

I am not from Modartt (which is a wonderful company with wonderful people), but while we wait for a B3 model, which I personally think is possible, we can experiment with what we have. I already made hammond-like sounds with Orgtq 1 and am now experimenting with Orgtq 2 to go even further (and with different trumpet sounds) As i have learned since 2013, with all news from Modartt, nothing is said in advance so we just have to wait
Here an example

https://forum.modartt.com/uploads.php?f...ammond.mp3

Best wishes,

Stig

Sounds good. Reminds me of this:
https://youtu.be/00tZCEk-ny8?feature=shared

Yours sounds more like a real B3 of course!


      "Yours sounds more like a real B3 of course!"   
Thank you Key Fumbler, it means a lot coming from you, it is encouraging and I want to express my appreciation

All the best,

Stig

Last edited by Pianoteqenthusiast (23-11-2023 14:59)

Re: Modartt, are you considering making a physical model of a Hammond B3?

Pianoteqenthusiast wrote:
Key Fumbler wrote:
Pianoteqenthusiast wrote:

Hello gs.kroon,

I am not from Modartt (which is a wonderful company with wonderful people), but while we wait for a B3 model, which I personally think is possible, we can experiment with what we have. I already made hammond-like sounds with Orgtq 1 and am now experimenting with Orgtq 2 to go even further (and with different trumpet sounds) As i have learned since 2013, with all news from Modartt, nothing is said in advance so we just have to wait
Here an example

https://forum.modartt.com/uploads.php?f...ammond.mp3

Best wishes,

Stig

Sounds good. Reminds me of this:
https://youtu.be/00tZCEk-ny8?feature=shared

Yours sounds more like a real B3 of course!


      "Yours sounds more like a real B3 of course!"   
Thank you Key Fumbler, it means a lot coming from you, it is encouraging and I want to express my appreciation
2006 I made a faster version of equinox, never uploaded anywhere, but  for copyright reasons, I wonder if one could present here only a short excerpt, about 20 seconds, which is enough visavi the link. Might or might not...One cam always link to something but a recording is different...

All the best,

Stig

Sorry about that Stig, I deleted that post because I was worried I was too off topic.

Glad you liked the comment.

Sure bring on the JMJ

Last edited by Key Fumbler (23-11-2023 15:00)

Re: Modartt, are you considering making a physical model of a Hammond B3?

gs.kroon@gmail.com wrote:

I should be very happy with a B3 model, preferably in Pianoteq (or perhaps Organteq)! Saves me a separate app on my laptop or a phsysical module! What are your thoughts about this Modartt?

Hi I am not from Modartt but I can say the B3 organ is an analog electronic instruments that radically differs from the non-electronic instruments they are modeling. For example, the routing path for generating notes on a B3 is nothing like a piano or a pipe organ making the PianoTeq & OrganTeq engines inapropriate for this purpose. IMHO I don't see why they would offer such an intrument especially knowing that a very accurate emulator plugin exist: VB3 II

Re: Modartt, are you considering making a physical model of a Hammond B3?

salvadorl wrote:

Hi I am not from Modartt but I can say the B3 organ is an analog electronic instruments that radically differs from the non-electronic instruments they are modeling. For example, the routing path for generating notes on a B3 is nothing like a piano or a pipe organ making the PianoTeq & OrganTeq engines inapropriate for this purpose. IMHO I don't see why they would offer such an intrument especially knowing that a very accurate emulator plugin exist: VB3 II

I am not from Modartt either, and I completely disagree.

First, it doesn't matter that another company already has a similar product, otherwise they would not be modeling pianos either, since there were many other companies doing pianos when they started. The question is more about them being able to do it "better" in either sound quality, or technical requirements on the hardware (e.g. less disk space for the samples) or software (e.g. Linux version), or perhaps even price, etc.
Of course what it *does* matter is if Modartt think they can do such "better".

Most importantly, from the technical point of view, if you read the various science papers, Ph.D. thesis and the likes, you'd see that there is no inherent limit on the modeling being limited to the electronic vs acoustic: pianoteq is just a very sophisticated synth that can indeed realistically synthesize the sound of the piano. The sound of the B3 organ is much simpler and hence within scope of what should be possible to do.

In fact starting with the existing electric pianos, increasing the attack envelope, zeroing the hammer noise, maximizing the impedance and reducing the spectrum profile of the higher harmonics, one quickly gets a decent sound of a electronic organ. I think that spending more time with the various other settings in both the design and voicing sections, one can get something really good. What you cannot do by yourself is giving the "infinite sustain" of the organ, obviously, because the impedence value in the user interface is limited in range. But as Modartt said in various occasions, they have internally access to larger ranges and more parameters that they use to model different instruments and I have no doubts that they could model a good (if not excellent) B3 organ with limited efforts, perhaps even less efforts than they spent for each of the branded pianos.

I am also sure that at the $50 regular ($35 discounted as it is now) it would be an instrument which would sell well on its own and would probably increase sales of Pianoteq itself too, with the Stage version (with the B3 and another instrument) for example being competitive with the VB3-II and having a much more competitive pricing update policy!

Where do I find a list of all posts I upvoted? :(

Re: Modartt, are you considering making a physical model of a Hammond B3?

We already have great modelled Hammonds available. Modartt doesn't need to waste time on this.

I just use VB3-II, it is awesome. Noting else is needed.

Hard work and guts!

Re: Modartt, are you considering making a physical model of a Hammond B3?

EvilDragon wrote:

We already have great modelled Hammonds available. Modartt doesn't need to waste time on this.

I just use VB3-II, it is awesome. Noting else is needed.

The fact that you use and like VB3-II has nothing to do with what others want. If Modartt followed similar suggestions from people when they started (there were many, many who said "Garritan CFX is great, Pianoteq version 1 sucks, Modartt should quit" -- and some still do!) we would not have the great product we have.

One easy to see thing that the Modartt engine does that VB3-II lacks is Linux support. Of course is minor in the great scheme of things, and there are more important ones, but I do hope that Modartt will embark in such a journey!

Where do I find a list of all posts I upvoted? :(

Re: Modartt, are you considering making a physical model of a Hammond B3?

dv wrote:
EvilDragon wrote:

We already have great modelled Hammonds available. Modartt doesn't need to waste time on this.

I just use VB3-II, it is awesome. Noting else is needed.

The fact that you use and like VB3-II has nothing to do with what others want. If Modartt followed similar suggestions from people when they started (there were many, many who said "Garritan CFX is great, Pianoteq version 1 sucks, Modartt should quit" -- and some still do!) we would not have the great product we have.

One easy to see thing that the Modartt engine does that VB3-II lacks is Linux support. Of course is minor in the great scheme of things, and there are more important ones, but I do hope that Modartt will embark in such a journey!

Garritan CFX is just regular old sampling. In contrast there are several physically modeled hammonds out there.

Assuming Modartt do not have infinite programmers to fulfill this task this would take away from other development.

Sure it would be nice to see their take on it though but it's arguably yet another duplication where Pianoteq certainly was not, and the Organteq church organ market wasn't exactly saturated.

For all I know behind the scenes their algorithms could be powering some other product doing this already.

I'm not against the idea but will it be significantly better than the one Evil Dragon mentioned, or the UAD or IK or Arturia modelled versions?

Re: Modartt, are you considering making a physical model of a Hammond B3?

I'm not against the idea of a Modartt B3 either - but personally I'd much rather see them do something more obscure, like a harmonium.

Re: Modartt, are you considering making a physical model of a Hammond B3?

dazric wrote:

I'm not against the idea of a Modartt B3 either - but personally I'd much rather see them do something more obscure, like a harmonium.

Maybe as a nice addition to Pianoteq rather than it's own engine.

Re: Modartt, are you considering making a physical model of a Hammond B3?

Go Demo the IK multimedia Hammond B-3X and give it a spin.  I rather have Pianoteq keep their limited resources on what they do best.

Re: Modartt, are you considering making a physical model of a Hammond B3?

gs.kroon@gmail.com wrote:

I should be very happy with a B3 model, preferably in Pianoteq (or perhaps Organteq)! Saves me a separate app on my laptop or a phsysical module! What are your thoughts about this Modartt?

+1 totally agree

Re: Modartt, are you considering making a physical model of a Hammond B3?

What about a Okarina?


https://youtu.be/iKcrbAlZ9Jo?si=FrA1AuOLMJ6GSkax

Re: Modartt, are you considering making a physical model of a Hammond B3?

I would also love a Hammond inside Pianoteq, but maybe the competition for it is already stiff?

anyway, IK´s B3-X is at the moment on sale for $39.99, which makes it cheaper than a pianoteq add-on. still over 400 Mb footprint though.

also, tomorrow Cherry Audio will be releasing (I think) their upgrade to GG Audio´s Blue 3 organ and Leslie emulation (I believe it's physically modelled too, but haven't tried it yet). Might be worth a look.

didn't post link as I´m not sure links to other companies commercial sites are allowed here.

best,
Miguel.

Re: Modartt, are you considering making a physical model of a Hammond B3?

I haven't tried this nor any B3 software but here is a free with Pro option of a B3 model: https://sampleson.com/collab3-free-tonewheel-organ.html

Pro is $10 for rotary speed control, and mic position for example.

--- Stephen

Re: Modartt, are you considering making a physical model of a Hammond B3?

gs.kroon@gmail.com wrote:

I should be very happy with a B3 model, preferably in Pianoteq (or perhaps Organteq)! Saves me a separate app on my laptop or a phsysical module! What are your thoughts about this Modartt?

Modartt, are you considering making a physical model of a Hammond B3?

Jeez ... I hope not.  Then the next thing would be ... "what about a software Leslie?"  (which could not happen and probably never will)

Kudos anyway,  Lanny

Re: Modartt, are you considering making a physical model of a Hammond B3?

gs.kroon@gmail.com wrote:

I should be very happy with a B3 model, preferably in Pianoteq (or perhaps Organteq)! Saves me a separate app on my laptop or a phsysical module! What are your thoughts about this Modartt?


I would really like Modartt to develop a tone wheel organ. Physical modeling is my favorite synthesis option.

For example, I use and recommend the SetBfree software. It runs on Linux and is very good!

Respeito, Esforço e Sabedoria

Re: Modartt, are you considering making a physical model of a Hammond B3?

There are already sooo many
IK Multimedia B 3X
GSi Instruments VB3 II
GG Audio/Cherry Audio Blue3
Arturia B-3V
UAD Waterfall

Those are just a few that are modeled. There are also sample/modeling hybrids like Acoustic Samples B5.
GSi Instruments VB3 II have actually been acquired as the "engine" for the hardware Crumar Mojo organ. They sound about as convincing as could be for VSTs. There is very little to be gained here by Modartt trying to break into this already crowded market for a limited user base.

Re: Modartt, are you considering making a physical model of a Hammond B3?

gs.kroon@gmail.com wrote:

I should be very happy with a B3 model, preferably in Pianoteq (or perhaps Organteq)! Saves me a separate app on my laptop or a phsysical module! What are your thoughts about this Modartt?

Absolutely. Would love it.

Pianoteq Pro Studio with Bösendorfer, Shigeru Kawai and Organteq