Vidal MIDI piano controller
Progress update:
https://playvidal.com/blogs/news/july-2...ion-update
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Vidal MIDI piano controller
Progress update:https://playvidal.com/blogs/news/july-2...ion-update
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it looks absolutely superb . And what a great idea to be able to open the keyboard that way ; it reminds me the clavichord design . It is such a nightmare to unscrew 10.000 screws and remove internal cables on some keyboards just to fix one sticky key!
Just a question the original specs showed only 2 jacks for pedals ( sustain + expression) . Most advanced classical piano players would love to have 3 pedals ( soft , sustenato , sustain) . This is not a deal breaker as such as it is only a midi controller and one could buy an audiofront midi adapter to resolve it , but given the price of the keyboard and given the 88 key version , targets a demanding piano users population , it would be a nice feature to have natively .
Just a question the original specs showed only 2 jacks for pedals ( sustain + expression) . Most advanced classical piano players would love to have 3 pedals ( soft , sustenato , sustain) . This is not a deal breaker as such as it is only a midi controller and one could buy an audiofront midi adapter to resolve it , but given the price of the keyboard and given the 88 key version , targets a demanding piano users population , it would be a nice feature to have natively .
Triple pedal units (e.g., Fatar VFP3-D) only need the sustain and expression jacks...They only have 2 cables. The right pedal, with continuous signal, is connected to expression jack. The center and left pedals (both on/off signals) are independently connected via single stereo cable to the "sustain" jack.
Pianistically wrote:Just a question the original specs showed only 2 jacks for pedals ( sustain + expression) . Most advanced classical piano players would love to have 3 pedals ( soft , sustenato , sustain) . This is not a deal breaker as such as it is only a midi controller and one could buy an audiofront midi adapter to resolve it , but given the price of the keyboard and given the 88 key version , targets a demanding piano users population , it would be a nice feature to have natively .
Triple pedal units (e.g., Fatar VFP3-D) only need the sustain and expression jacks...They only have 2 cables. The right pedal, with continuous signal, is connected to expression jack. The center and left pedals (both on/off signals) are independently connected via single stereo cable to the "sustain" jack.
Please note that there are multiple versions of the FATAR triple pedal.
I own a Fatar SLP3-D triple pedal purchased some ten years ago. I use it with my Studiologic SL 88 Grand keyboard. I had a lot of trouble getting the keyboard to recognize it; the settings are a real pain.
See this thread on the subject:
https://forum.modartt.com/viewtopic.php?id=10698
My SLP3-D has only one cable with a TRS jack, it only works with a Studiologic keyboard (and not all of them).
Here's the very special schematic for this pedal:
Pianistically wrote:Just a question the original specs showed only 2 jacks for pedals ( sustain + expression) . Most advanced classical piano players would love to have 3 pedals ( soft , sustenato , sustain) . This is not a deal breaker as such as it is only a midi controller and one could buy an audiofront midi adapter to resolve it , but given the price of the keyboard and given the 88 key version , targets a demanding piano users population , it would be a nice feature to have natively .
Triple pedal units (e.g., Fatar VFP3-D) only need the sustain and expression jacks...They only have 2 cables. The right pedal, with continuous signal, is connected to expression jack. The center and left pedals (both on/off signals) are independently connected via single stereo cable to the "sustain" jack.
Well , personally I am not a fan of fatar triple pedals . I would rather prefer to be able to connect 3 DP-10 than 1 Fatar triple pedal .
Moreover , your post is intriguing as it kind of says that the sustain jack is not continuous , only the expression jack is ????? Did I read that right ? Are you saying that a 5000$ piano midi controller is designed with an off / off only sustain ? I sincerely hope you made an error in your reply , as otherwise that would be a deal breaker . A good pedal device for piano must offer continuous data for sustain and soft pedals and on/off for sustenato . ( sustain continuous to allows half pedalling and soft continuous to allow variation of timbre for VST’s that allow it such as Pianoteq)
EDIT : Reading your reply again , maybe you meant connect the center and left pedal to the Expression Jack and the right pedal to the Sustain jack. In which case you support continuous for sustain , but only on/off for Una Corda pedal.
TimN wrote:Pianistically wrote:Just a question the original specs showed only 2 jacks for pedals ( sustain + expression) . Most advanced classical piano players would love to have 3 pedals ( soft , sustenato , sustain) . This is not a deal breaker as such as it is only a midi controller and one could buy an audiofront midi adapter to resolve it , but given the price of the keyboard and given the 88 key version , targets a demanding piano users population , it would be a nice feature to have natively .
Triple pedal units (e.g., Fatar VFP3-D) only need the sustain and expression jacks...They only have 2 cables. The right pedal, with continuous signal, is connected to expression jack. The center and left pedals (both on/off signals) are independently connected via single stereo cable to the "sustain" jack.
Well , personally I am not a fan of fatar triple pedals . I would rather prefer to be able to connect 3 DP-10 than 1 Fatar triple pedal .
Moreover , your post is intriguing as it kind of says that the sustain jack is not continuous , only the expression jack is ????? Did I read that right ? Are you saying that a 5000$ piano midi controller is designed with an off / off only sustain ? I sincerely hope you made an error in your reply , as otherwise that would be a deal breaker . A good pedal device for piano must offer continuous data for sustain and soft pedals and on/off for sustenato . ( sustain continuous to allows half pedalling and soft continuous to allow variation of timbre for VST’s that allow it such as Pianoteq)EDIT : Reading your reply again , maybe you meant connect the center and left pedal to the Expression Jack and the right pedal to the Sustain jack. In which case you support continuous for sustain , but only on/off for Una Corda pedal.
This is not quite correct....An "Expression" jack is for the continuous input (right sustain) pedal. The other jack is for on/off inputs from the other pedals. This jack is often labelled "Sustain" because synthesizers and some MIDI controllers only accept a momentary on/off switch for sustaining notes. To control Pianoteq and other piano software that supports partial (continuous) pedaling, the Expression input jack is used, because the right pedal includes a potentiometer that can continuously vary the signal passing through. As Gaston clarified, there is variation in how particular triple pedals and MIDI keyboard controllers are configured with cables, but it should be possible to find a compatible combination for the Vidal. The Vidal makers will certainly specify some options for this.
Pianistically wrote:TimN wrote:Triple pedal units (e.g., Fatar VFP3-D) only need the sustain and expression jacks...They only have 2 cables. The right pedal, with continuous signal, is connected to expression jack. The center and left pedals (both on/off signals) are independently connected via single stereo cable to the "sustain" jack.
Well , personally I am not a fan of fatar triple pedals . I would rather prefer to be able to connect 3 DP-10 than 1 Fatar triple pedal .
Moreover , your post is intriguing as it kind of says that the sustain jack is not continuous , only the expression jack is ????? Did I read that right ? Are you saying that a 5000$ piano midi controller is designed with an off / off only sustain ? I sincerely hope you made an error in your reply , as otherwise that would be a deal breaker . A good pedal device for piano must offer continuous data for sustain and soft pedals and on/off for sustenato . ( sustain continuous to allows half pedalling and soft continuous to allow variation of timbre for VST’s that allow it such as Pianoteq)EDIT : Reading your reply again , maybe you meant connect the center and left pedal to the Expression Jack and the right pedal to the Sustain jack. In which case you support continuous for sustain , but only on/off for Una Corda pedal.
This is not quite correct....An "Expression" jack is for the continuous input (right sustain) pedal. The other jack is for on/off inputs from the other pedals. This jack is often labelled "Sustain" because synthesizers and some MIDI controllers only accept a momentary on/off switch for sustaining notes. To control Pianoteq and other piano software that supports partial (continuous) pedaling, the Expression input jack is used, because the right pedal includes a potentiometer that can continuously vary the signal passing through. As Gaston clarified, there is variation in how particular triple pedals and MIDI keyboard controllers are configured with cables, but it should be possible to find a compatible combination for the Vidal. The Vidal makers will certainly specify some options for this.
I am afraid this is an unconventional terminology as you can see from the 3 examples below :
****** MP11 Stage Piano *************
This is an extract from the Kawai MP11 manual regarding back panel connectors
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EXP jack
This jack is used to connect an expression pedal.
* For information about calibrating the expression pedal to ensure correct operation with the MP11, please refer to page 101.
SOFT jack
This jack is used to connect the soft pedal of the included F-30 triple pedal unit to the MP11. A separate momentary foot switch pedal can also be connected using this jack.
DAMPER/SOSTENUTO (F-30) jack
This jack is used to connect the damper and sostenuto pedals of the included F-30 triple pedal unit to the MP11."
Page 101 refers to the expression pedal that is commonly used in synths, but sorry a piano is not a synth !!!
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********* NORD Piano 5 ************
On the Nord piano 5 there are 2 jacks in the back panel
SUSTAIN
VOL/CONTROL
The triple pedal ( Fatar) that Nord Uses must be plugged in the Sustain jack , and expression pedal ( synth type ) must be plugged in the VOL/CONTROL Jack as per NORD piano 5 manual Page 26
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**** YAMAHA Stage piano CP88 ***
4 pedal jacks in the back panel
Sustain Jack : For piano sustain pedals
Assignable Jack : For sustenato or Soft
2 * Foot controllers Jack : For expression type of pedals
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I am afraid this is an unconventional terminology as you can see from the 3 examples below :
OK, and another variation is the Lachnit MIDI controller, which labels the continuous-input jack as Expression and the on/off-input jack as Pedal. These are just labels...The important thing is that both continuous and on/off inputs are enabled for the two types of pedal controls.
Pianistically wrote:I am afraid this is an unconventional terminology as you can see from the 3 examples below :
OK, and another variation is the Lachnit MIDI controller, which labels the continuous-input jack as Expression and the on/off-input jack as Pedal. These are just labels...The important thing is that both continuous and on/off inputs are enabled for the two types of pedal controls.
Well current Lachnit offering is MK23 and C11 midi controllers . Both have the same connectivity options in the back panel ( mid and L/R) for traditional piano pedals and their FLK triple pedal and 2 aux pedals ( RTS and TRS) reserved for expression pedals . All entries support continuous midi data (0,127)
So to conclude a long and boring discussion , Vidal has 2 pedal entries sustain (on off) and exp ( continous) . I’m pretty sure the support will receive calls as not intuitive and against terminology used in digital puano . Have a good day .
How can you know if the emulation (early graphic of dynamic key pressing resistance)) is still the same after the springs got removed?
Batch two of the 88-key Vidal MIDI piano controllers is now open for pre-orders. Only 10 are available in batch two (batch one was bought out months ago and is currently in production for shipping) and as of this posting, 3 of the 10 of batch two have already been reserved (pre-ordered).
https://playvidal.com/products/vidal
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