Topic: classic guitar to create a bass guitar ?

Hi,
I wonder if we could achieve a rather realistic bass guitar with the classic guitar instrument.
What parameters do you think should be tweaked ?

Last edited by robisme (11-07-2024 17:53)

Re: classic guitar to create a bass guitar ?

robisme wrote:

Hi,
I wonder if we could achieve a rather realistic bass guitar with the classic guitar instrument.
What parameters do you think should be tweaked ?

Maybe you want to do it for the hell of it?

If not there is a free physically modeled bass guitar already:
https://bedroomproducersblog.com/2022/0...bass-free/

Failing that for starters I would change it to mono out to stereo effects. I would EQ the hell out of it, certainly rolling off the top.  Put a compressor on the FX. Choose plate or spring reverb.
I've not tried myself, I don't have the guitar pack.
I would blur the results with chorus or flange effects.
Probably experiment with the new modulation control section attack a smidgen - off the top of my head.
Don't forget the model EQ as well as the add on FX EQ.

Re: classic guitar to create a bass guitar ?

For much the same reason that the Classical Guitar model can’t do hollowbody jazz guitar (or any other type of electric guitar) in a believable way, you also won’t be able to come up with a wholly convincing electric bass guitar sound — we will need different, specific core models for that (of an electric guitar and electric bass respectively) — but you certainly can create bass sounds with Pianoteq’s Classical Guitar that are very useful. It's not on the level of IK's MODO Bass, but it's more than serviceable. At least, I think so.

To go from Classical Guitar to bass guitar, you can either click the Plus button (bottom left) to extend the note range into the region where the bass lives, but I don’t recommend that approach because you’ll loose all of the Guitar’s performance functionality.
A surprisingly simple (if rather blunt) way to get you immediately down into the bass region while leaving most of the Guitar’s performance abilities intact, is to simply change the tuning from 440Hz to 220Hz as that will drop the audio by an octave.
(One downside of halving the tuning like that, is that the performance sounds, like slide and gliss noises, are also pitched down by an octave, but that’s less of a problem than it might seem. Check the demo below.)

Once you’ve halved the tuning, it’s mostly a matter of preference and taste, I’d say. But, like Key Fumbler also suggested, I would begin with switching the instrument to mono output. Then, in the Effects pane, maybe replace the Delay by an Amp (on which you cut most of the highs and mids), add an Eq3 to remove yet more highs and mids, … and in the third slot, you can add whatever you feel gets the sound closer to where you want it to be. A compressor, for instance, could be a good candidate for that third slot. (I used a Tremolo in the third slot for the example below. Which forced me to use a non-Pianoteq compressor afterwards.)

Parameters on the main GUI to look at: increased Direct Sound Duration, reduced Cutoff, increased Q-factor, raised Plucking Noise … Also check which settings under Plucking Brightness work best for you. They do make a difference. And don’t forget to visit the Action palette where you can decrease the Damper Duration and maybe also increase the Mute value (for a more plucky feel), …

As always with Pianoteq: check and explore everything. Some parameters may not seem to make much of a difference at first, until you discover that they influence the behaviour of another paramter which actually does make a difference.

Below is a short example. I did this very, very quickly — 15 minutes, tops — so you have to allow for an unacceptable amount of roughness. I’m confident that with some more time, things could be improved considerably. (Also: for some reason, my license for the Classical Guitar has disappeared. So this example was done with the instrument in demo mode, hence the mostly-white-notes bass part.)


https://forum.modartt.com/uploads.php?f...est_01.mp3


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Last edited by Piet De Ridder (12-07-2024 08:02)

Re: classic guitar to create a bass guitar ?

That would be an interesting bass in a mix - I like that. Much good advice there too as always.

It's possible to get a variety of different bass sounds - unlimited in a way.. from synth-like to something approaching recorded bass instruments of different kinds.

This is just one type of bass sound I really enjoy using occasionally and it uses some recent physical instruments as inspiration and gets me close to where I want it in a recording. (I've managed to keep various physical guitars in various custom tunings over time - can testify it's not easy and takes time - so to me, a real-life 18 string bass was something I'd find interesting to work with - but am super-pleased I can use Pianoteq to get things somewhere in that territory).

Audio

18 String Amped Bass Guitar - This bass is a 6 x 3 through a gentle amp. (Nov 22)

FXP preset

18 String Amped Bass Guitar - Pianoteq FXP Preset for the Guitar instrument pack


I noticed just now, there are a some other custom bass presets made by Pianoteq users in the FXP Corner - looks busy in there lately. Great to see.


For sure, using Pianoteq instruments beyond default presets in all kinds of ways is IMHO one of its most fascinating features (and allows creative recordings which don't sound like all the other music.

Definitely, taking time to work out how different settings effect each other can be so rewarding - no matter the kinds of music.

Pianoteq Studio Bundle (Pro plus all instruments)  - Kawai MP11 digital piano - Yamaha HS8 monitors

Re: classic guitar to create a bass guitar ?

these are both so cool.  i would love to see more stuff like this in FXP corner.  and even crazier stuff ...

Re: classic guitar to create a bass guitar ?

Piet De Ridder made a great suggestion there. I've been playing with tuning at 220hz and 880 since I got it. I forgot to suggest that in my post.

You can make funky changes to the clavinet model also, to make it sound similar to several different types of stringed instruments, such as bass guitar. Not forgetting to change the string length.

The relatively new note modulation section is a game changer now though too.

Last edited by Key Fumbler (14-07-2024 07:03)

Re: classic guitar to create a bass guitar ?

Thanks for all of your suggestions. I'm going down that rabbit hole for the sake of trying.
On Linux, even with Wine, I can't install Modo Bass, that's why I thought about Pianoteq.

Re: classic guitar to create a bass guitar ?

This is a great suggestion, especially if it can extend to double bass... I'm also on (happily) on Linux...