Ecaroh wrote:Hi all!
I know this is an endless debate and mostly subjective issue but if you compare those two which one you prefer and why? MP11 and RD 2000 are in same price range. I am mostly interested in hearing opinions about keyboard action, playability and onboard piano sound. And of course about its value as PTQ controller.
thx!
I bought the MP11 more than 10 years ago , own a FP10 (PHA-4 action ) for when I travel and I have recently played on a fantom 8 pro ( it has the same PHA50 action than the RD2000) on loan for a couple of months. Here is my feedback.
Action comparison regarding specs :
-MP11 action is non folded , RD2000 action is folded (doesn't really make a big difference)
-MP11 action is wooden made both white and black keys, RD2000 keys are made of plastic with wooden sides add on for white keys, and plastic only for black keys.
- Pivot length MP11 > Pivot length RD2000
- Both MP11 and RD2000 send variable note-off velocities.
- Repeated notes (without using sustain pedal) are played with no sound cut off as long as you hit the same repeated between middle sensor and top sensor, even though it is achieved differently . On the Kawai , note-off events are sent in a sequence after all repeated note-on events have been triggered. On the Roland every repeated note is preceded by a note- off event with a velocity = 0.
Action feeling
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The MP11 feels lighter but the RD2000 is as fast to play with and both action will allow you to play very advanced repertoire. It is more a matter of personal taste.
As midi controller
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Imho, this is where the RD2000 shines and surpasses the MP11
The MP11 has a relatively limited usable Midi output range ( 25-30 to 110-115). Note that you can generate velocities lower than 25-30 but not consistently and it varies from one key to the next.
Of course , one could adjust it with a velocity curve, but given the midi output range of the MP11 being roughly 80 discrete values which is only 60% of standard Midi 1 range, no curve will increase the number of discrete values.
The root causes for the inconsistencies of Midi output of the MP11 are rapid and unequal degradation of the slip tape ( below the capstan) and also inconsistent let-off simulation which is very variable from one key to the next.
When used with internal sound, the above issues are less noticeable and the quality of the samples coupled with a very nice action feeling compensate this inconvenient , but when used a Midi controller with Pianoteq or high quality sampled software, the inconsistencies are much more present .
The RD2000 is probably one of if not the most accurate midi controller in the market for portable pianos . You can play the entire range of velocities, reach 127 if you hit hard, and play velocities below 5 with impressive ease. Decrescendo are much easier to achieve than on a acoustic grand. Some argue it is even unrealistic. Let-off simulation is better implemented than on the Kawai and very consistent across the keyboard.
Robustness
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Both keyboards are very solid and made to last. Here again the RD2000 is a winner as the MP11 requires regular maintenance if you are fussy with accurate midi output. Replacing the slip tapes is documented on YouTube , you can messagel me if you want advices on how to do it. The replacement of the slip tape for the 88 keys takes roughly 5 hours and cost of the tape replacement is roughly 60 €.
The RD2000 doesn't require any maintenance and will resist the outrages of stage live session for a long time.
Bottom line, these two keyboards are excellent, If i had to choose one for Piano live playing using internal sounds, I would choose the Kawai without any hesitation as its sound is much better than the RD2000. If I had to choose one off the keyboards for live playing with a virtual instrument such as Pianoteq , I would pick up the RD2000 because of its second to none midi output response.