Topic: Pianoteq 2.3 vs Pianoteq 8
Test with two different midi controllers and the pianoteq 2.3 version sounds better than pianoteq 8. can this be possible? Thank you.
- k48
- Member
- Offline
- Irmin
- Member
- Offline
Re: Pianoteq 2.3 vs Pianoteq 8
k48 wrote:
Test with two different midi controllers and the pianoteq 2.3 version sounds better than pianoteq 8. can this be possible? Thank you.
Definitely possible. How we experience sound is completely subjective. You might for instance prefer a Kawai ES8 to a Shigeru Kawai or well maintained Steinway D. Of course most people would disagree with you, but that's OK.
- k48
- Member
- Offline
Re: Pianoteq 2.3 vs Pianoteq 8
Irmin wrote:
k48 wrote:Test with two different midi controllers and the pianoteq 2.3 version sounds better than pianoteq 8. can this be possible? Thank you.
Definitely possible. How we experience sound is completely subjective. You might for instance prefer a Kawai ES8 to a Shigeru Kawai or well maintained Steinway D. Of course most people would disagree with you, but that's OK.
Is it possible that the laptop's processor is limiting the pianoteq 8? (i3 with 2gb ram)
- brundlefly
- Member
- Offline
Re: Pianoteq 2.3 vs Pianoteq 8
k48 wrote:
sounds better
In what respect? First, make sure it's not just louder which will almost always sound "better".
If it's about the stereo image, resonance or reverb, Pianoteq 8 Standard can probably be pretty easily tweaked to match. If there's something special about the timbre that you like in 2.3, that might be more difficult. FWIW, I didn't buy Pianoteq until v7 but I recall the demo of v3 being pretty unpleasantly synthetic-sounding.
- Irmin
- Member
- Offline
Re: Pianoteq 2.3 vs Pianoteq 8
k48 wrote:
Irmin wrote:k48 wrote:Test with two different midi controllers and the pianoteq 2.3 version sounds better than pianoteq 8. can this be possible? Thank you.
Definitely possible. How we experience sound is completely subjective. You might for instance prefer a Kawai ES8 to a Shigeru Kawai or well maintained Steinway D. Of course most people would disagree with you, but that's OK.
Is it possible that the laptop's processor is limiting the pianoteq 8? (i3 with 2gb ram)
I don't think so, PianoTeq can run on very slow hardware. Even works on a Raspberry Pi 4. If your hardware is too slow you will get huge latency or audio crackling. But the sound doesn't change between a low end pc and a top of the range machine.
Consider posting a snippet from both versions here so we can hear what you are referring to.
Last edited by Irmin (28-06-2024 19:13)
- tmyoung
- Member
- Offline
Re: Pianoteq 2.3 vs Pianoteq 8
Yes, please post a comparison, we'd all be quite interested in the results (so few of us have older versions set up for these kinds of comparisons). While most would likely disagree that 6 versions across more than a decade have resulted in a qualitative downgrade, any objective comparison offers fantastic historical value for the PTQ community. We'd also be much better able to assist you in debugging with more information.
Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/artist/2xHiPcCsm29R12HX4eXd4J
Pianoteq Studio & Organteq
Casio GP300 & Custom organ console
Pianoteq Studio & Organteq
Casio GP300 & Custom organ console
- Pianoguy
- Member
- Offline
Re: Pianoteq 2.3 vs Pianoteq 8
k48 wrote:
Test with two different midi controllers and the pianoteq 2.3 version sounds better than pianoteq 8. can this be possible? Thank you.
Define "better". Louder (as suggested above), brighter, more reverb . . . ?
Last edited by Pianoguy (29-06-2024 10:29)
- k48
- Member
- Offline
Re: Pianoteq 2.3 vs Pianoteq 8
Pianoguy wrote:
k48 wrote:Test with two different midi controllers and the pianoteq 2.3 version sounds better than pianoteq 8. can this be possible? Thank you.
Define "better". Louder (as suggested above), brighter, more reverb . . . ?
better in terms of realistic acoustic piano sound, which is disconcerting for me, I would like to know if anyone else on the forum had that experience
- tmyoung
- Member
- Offline
Re: Pianoteq 2.3 vs Pianoteq 8
k48 wrote:
better in terms of realistic acoustic piano sound, which is disconcerting for me, I would like to know if anyone else on the forum had that experience
We need a lot more information about your setup to help you. Speakers, amplifiers, CPU, room treatment, OS, controllers, PTQ settings, interfaces/cabling/io, which presets you're using, etc.
Yes, it's possible that it's "better" but without knowing more about your setup and personal tastes, we can only abstractly guess what might be going on. That's part of why a comparison would be useful so that we can hear what you're hearing in our listening environments which could reduce the number of variables to consider.
Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/artist/2xHiPcCsm29R12HX4eXd4J
Pianoteq Studio & Organteq
Casio GP300 & Custom organ console
Pianoteq Studio & Organteq
Casio GP300 & Custom organ console
- moshuajusic
- Member
- Offline
Re: Pianoteq 2.3 vs Pianoteq 8
I was thinking this thread is a troll especially with "two different midi controllers" because what diff would that make?? But I found a few old clips and I'm surprised. I'd suggest trying the Bluther model in the latest version. If I weren't spoiled by its powerful bass notes, I'd consider Bechstein or Grotrian. I think those 3 sound better and more real than what I heard of version 2.3. Most of the models sound weird to me tbh. I sometimes wonder when I'll spend money on another model, but it's always "eh, sticking with Bluthner. Maybe next time?"
Also try slightly reducing the age parameter and increasing sympathetic resonance to liven it up.
- k48
- Member
- Offline
Re: Pianoteq 2.3 vs Pianoteq 8
tmyoung wrote:
k48 wrote:better in terms of realistic acoustic piano sound, which is disconcerting for me, I would like to know if anyone else on the forum had that experience
We need a lot more information about your setup to help you. Speakers, amplifiers, CPU, room treatment, OS, controllers, PTQ settings, interfaces/cabling/io, which presets you're using, etc.
Yes, it's possible that it's "better" but without knowing more about your setup and personal tastes, we can only abstractly guess what might be going on. That's part of why a comparison would be useful so that we can hear what you're hearing in our listening environments which could reduce the number of variables to consider.
I just uploaded a test file of Pianoteq 2.3 (Grand M1 Jazz)
my configuration
Windows 7 i3 2gb ram
yamaha p225
steimberg UR22C
makcie mk2 monitors
- Pianoteqenthusiast
- Member
- Offline
Re: Pianoteq 2.3 vs Pianoteq 8
Hello k48 and everyone,
Here a comparison
I found a midi file but maybe not the same, in any case you can hear the difference clearly. Bösendorfer 280 VC, a bit modified
Ptq 2,3
https://forum.modartt.com/uploads.php?f...teq2.3.mp3
Bösen
https://forum.modartt.com/uploads.php?f...ile%20.mp3
All the best, everyone
Stig
Last edited by Pianoteqenthusiast (30-06-2024 01:34)
- k48
- Member
- Offline
Re: Pianoteq 2.3 vs Pianoteq 8
Pianoteqenthusiast wrote:
Hello k48 and everyone,
Here a comparison
I found a midi file but maybe not the same, in any case you can hear the difference clearly. Bösendorfer 280 VC, a bit modifiedPtq 2,3
https://forum.modartt.com/uploads.php?f...teq2.3.mp3
Bösen
https://forum.modartt.com/uploads.php?f...ile%20.mp3
All the best, everyone
Stig
Thanks for the contribution, obviously the assessments are subjective, the question is whether there is a great evolution between the first and the latest versions
- Pianoteqenthusiast
- Member
- Offline
Re: Pianoteq 2.3 vs Pianoteq 8
Here the midi file once again with Bösendorfer 280 VC without modification (sorry for the modification). I don't like this midi file.... I think my own recordings in all ptq versions sound the way I want them to (with right velocity a s o.). I hereby say thank you for me in this matter. Over and out
https://forum.modartt.com/uploads.php?f...281%29.mp3
Best wishes,
Stig
- tnguyenlead
- Member
- Offline
Re: Pianoteq 2.3 vs Pianoteq 8
Pianoteqenthusiast wrote:
Hello k48 and everyone,
Here a comparison
I found a midi file but maybe not the same, in any case you can hear the difference clearly. Bösendorfer 280 VC, a bit modifiedPtq 2,3
https://forum.modartt.com/uploads.php?f...teq2.3.mp3
Bösen
https://forum.modartt.com/uploads.php?f...ile%20.mp3
All the best, everyone
Stig
Yes I feel the same when listening to ealier versions of Pianoteq. The attack is clear better, feel more real then the later version. The later version have better Resonance but the Attack sound like hammer hiting nylon strings.
I think the Attack sounds gotten worse from V5.
Pianoteq came a long way in some areas but took a step back in others.
Last edited by tnguyenlead (30-06-2024 19:46)
- brundlefly
- Member
- Offline
Re: Pianoteq 2.3 vs Pianoteq 8
Pianoteqenthusiast wrote:
Ptq 2,3
That perfectly captures the 'synthetic' sound (especially in the upper register) that kept me from buying in at v3.
I think it's undeniable that the modeling has evolved for the better since then and is both more pleasing and more realistic. If the OP likes a brighter sound, he might prefer V7 which to my ear has the 'richness' and realism of v8, but is not voiced so darkly. I'm still using it in my DAW template that layers Pianoteq with the RD-700NX's onboard sound because the brighter voicing complements the RD's timbre better.