Topic: Hammer-driven resonance?

Hello everyone.

Is it possible to tweak instrument parameters in Pianoteq so resonances derived from hammer-driven forced oscillations occur (or if they already occur, are accentuated)?

To elaborate, when one triggers the keys in an undampened tremolo close to the natural frequency of the strings (most feasible within the second and third octaves), a lush "hammerless" sound can be temporarily achieved due to hammer-driven resonance, causing the volume to swell even with a constant attack velocity on the keys. With careful gradation of dynamics, one can achieve a pad-like sound on the grand piano of crescendoing and diminuendoing chords with ease (dependent on the condition of the instrument), but I have not found any success trying to replicate this in Pianoteq. Are such hammer-driven string effects modelled in Pianoteq? And if so, could I ask what are the ways by which one might make them stronger (or otherwise mimic them)?

Thank you.

Last edited by user_45Tds8KZ0 (24-06-2024 11:09)

Re: Hammer-driven resonance?

That may have to do with your digital piano. My Roland LX-17 has the sympathetic vibration capability built in; however, if you have Pianoteq Professional, you may be able to adjust some of this using the various sliders and achieve this effect.

With that said, I can achieve the same effect in Pianoteq Professional on my LX-17, without adjusting anything other than the velocity curve to moderately-slow that I can on my Vogel 177 T grand piano, which makes me wonder if it's hardware and not software. It took some extra work and getting used to the digital keyboard but it was achievable.

When I studied piano at an advanced level, I was shown various techniques such as finger voicing and chord voicing. This involves using various pressures on multiple keys at the same time by changing the shape of the hand and the fingers. The technique requires finger independence and a very relaxed technique. With this technique, I can play middle voices on chords softer causing strings to vibrate resonantly rather than full on straight with the tonic or other components in the chord doing the work. It's hard to explain in words and requires sitting at a piano.

After my teacher showed me this, my music world changed! I now see all kinds of "hidden" voices and motifs that need to be brought out at the same time as other things being played.

Re: Hammer-driven resonance?

jcitron wrote:

That may have to do with your digital piano. My Roland LX-17 has the sympathetic vibration capability built in; however, if you have Pianoteq Professional, you may be able to adjust some of this using the various sliders and achieve this effect.

I'm afraid what I'm describing does not fall within the range of sympathetic vibration. Rather, the resonance I refer to is purely in the context of dynamical oscillators: how the hammers and strings interact with each other. Of course, this is a bit of a simplification since the position of the strike point is not at the end of the string; and the strings all have a fundamental frequency far higher than humanly playable, so it's not exactly true "resonance", so to speak. But I am not knowledgeable in acoustics, and I can't think of any other way to describe this.

To give a more detailed example, suppose we are at a grand piano with relatively soft hammers (to the effect that there is negligible hammer noise upon striking).
Let us play an octave tremolo with a uniform mezzo-piano velocity and damper pedal fully pressed.
Beginning with a low tremolo speed, one achieves a mezzo-piano sound where one can still clearly hear the strings being restruck (although the hammer noise is negligible, when the hammer restrikes a string, it generates a new attack that somewhat disrupts the sound we hear at that moment).
As one gradually increases the tremolo speed while maintaining constant velocity, one would expect nothing to change: just a faster mezzo-piano tremolo. This is precisely what we hear when we perform the tremolo at the higher octaves.

However, at lower octaves, the sound achieved can go beyond a mezzo-piano into a mezzo-forte or a forte, and the sound of the strings being restruck can no longer be heard (i.e. the sustained sound the strings produce are now louder than the attack generated by the tremolo). Going any faster will cause the strings to leave this state, and the sound of the strings being restruck is now once again audible.

While sounding rather esoterical, one can find use for this technique in operatic paraphrases or transcriptions/arrangements, most notably those by Liszt (as well as his Chasse-Neige), and it's just very fun to use as a party trick. I have been unable to replicate this technique in Pianoteq, so I'm wondering if anyone would be able to shed some light on how to do so.