Topic: Organteq 2

Yesterday, Modartt's newsletter mentioned the forthcoming release of Organteq 2.

Any hints on the new sounds, features and release date ?

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Organteq 2 Is Coming!

To be honest it is rather like waiting for Santa as a young child. In one's hopes there are all sorts of musical things that one desperately wants, if not necessarily needs. Daydreams abound with wonderfully tuneful wishes for what could be in the stocking when you wake on that anticipated morn.

There is the horrible realization though that, one has not been especially good for the entire year, if not particularly naughty though; that discordant combination of stops at full volume was not my fault, honest! A lump of coal in the bottom of the sack may be all that one gets, but if Organteq is really, really kind then one might get a new rank of pipes to tootle on.

Organteq 2 is coming! Are we there yet!? Are we there yet!?

Michael

Pianoteq 8 Studio plus all Instrument packs; Organteq 2; Debian; Reaper; Carla

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So far, Sweelinq has come. This is something similar to Hauptwerk. Interesting. It's good we have a choice.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L97US8bNIlg&t=26s

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I didn't even know they were done with v1.

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Although I am a supporter of physical sound modeling, (apart from Viscount Sonus) I often play Sweelinq rather than Organteq.
Let's be honest, Organteq has a terrible interface.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eb1yiXYRDuM

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And here, for comparison, a similar piece played on Viscount. (Next, I'll add something with the same French music vibe played on Organteq.)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlhKWNe9nQQ

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rumburak wrote:

...
Let's be honest, Organteq has a terrible interface. ...

Sweelinq's user interface looks like it would be easy to use on a touch screen, but from a programming, design and functionality perspective, the Sweelinq GUI seems fairly rudimentary and simplistic; Organteq's GUI seems very efficiently and thoughtfully designed in comparison, especially considering all the functionality available in Organteq and its accessibility in the GUI.

This is not a complaint against Sweelinq: it's sampled organ sounds are very nice and the GUI serviceable, and Sweelinq, like Modartt, offers a standalone app for Linux, not just Windows and Mac OS. It is merely a disagreement with the statement "Organteq has a terrible interface."

That said, perhaps the Organteq developers could think about adding a choosable alternative or additional simplified GUI that would be suitable or easy to use with a touchscreen monitor, for those who might prefer a user interface more like those of Hauptwerk or Sweelinq.

Last edited by Stephen_Doonan (01-11-2021 21:08)
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Linux, Pianoteq Pro, Organteq

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rumburak wrote:

...Organteq has a terrible interface. ...

I mean microscopic buttons that activate voices (registers).

I promised to record something from the same French music series on Organteq - for comparison:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_VmtTV12tg

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Hello all,

I just saw this new method of using the GPUs to help the DSP in sound processing:

https://earlyaccess.gpu.audio/?utm_sour...sonicstate

Wonder if Organteq developers could find a way of using the GPU to allow Organteq to be playable on lower end computers, or to allow a bigger number of pipes to sing together.

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ok, this is my take on it and I'll say this as a blind organist and composer.

Organteq really needs to improve on a number of factors, these include the following features and changes:

1: Greater quantity of pipe ranks, stops, etc.
2: Ability to custom voice per stop including the ability to create new variants as stops, etc.
3: 4th Manual support.
4: Improved sequencer system for registrations
5: an improved library system supporting different organ specifications, such as English, french, german, italian, then other options such as symphonic, baroque, etc like we have from manufacturers like johannus, etc.
6: expand expression pedal support to a maximum of 4 expression shoes (Crescendo, Swell, Choir, Solo)
7: Better implementation of functions including adding SET, Divisional cancels, gen cancel, etc. better midi support to assign physical buttons  for more couplers, sequence functions, etc.
8: A redesigned UI for touch screens: a window which can full screen or a setup for 2 screens for stops for each manual, pedal and essential functions including couplers.
9: Better accessibility for blind and sight impaired users. already it's usable but needs better functionality.

If this was me, I'd be looking for a setup that meets the above needs as a professional solution to build a console specification with. This is the only accessible solution for blind users through the mac, linux isn't viable any more for building a custom organ platform with accessibility needs.

When it comes to accessibility interaction, one vital function is needed. the ability that when a stop, coupler or function directly related either to the touch screen environment or a physical console output would be that a stop or coupler name is spoken with state active or on / off, announcement of registration name and change, such as "Registration Name - Bank X, preset X selected" These spoken announcements don't need to go to the main audio outs for the organ, but can be used by the system output like would be used for VoiceOver, or rely on the system speech engine's defined output to a separate interface or output for headphones or an earbud or inner console panel speaker.

It's time Organteq evolved beyond what we're using now, yes, it's a good instrument, but it lets me down on several needs and holds me back. I don't have the option to move to another organ software system such as hauptwerk as it's completely unusable with a screen reader. So, this is where I'm from on this. I have to admit, I've given up asking. I've even given up asking if I could as an accessibility advisor / developer, join as a beta developer. so, like you all, I'll just have to wait.

Blind Music Producer, Composer, pianist and Church Organist. Accessibility development specialist for MacOS. Developing a solution for blind organists to have an accessible digital organ solution.

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I'm not a classical organist, but I do play spinet organ and would love to see theatre stops like throbbing tibias and a reedy kinura along with 'string' stops like the violin celeste. Of course then the addition of traps would be a delightful bonus - snare, bells, whistles glock.

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DEZ wrote:

I'm not a classical organist, but I do play spinet organ and would love to see theatre stops like throbbing tibias and a reedy kinura along with 'string' stops like the violin celeste. Of course then the addition of traps would be a delightful bonus - snare, bells, whistles glock.

Hello DEZ,

Well, quite a lot of amazing theatre music can be made already with the tools we have: Organteq, many different Pianoteqsounds (and all those sounds that are not ”pianos” + using morphing, layering and combining all these sounds, sound fusion, using a DAW.
I gave it a little try, called it Theatre Organ OrgPiano. Using Organteq & Pianoteq ”fusion”. Most theatre organ musical arrangements are improvised or created by the organist, so did I here too, improvising in my first testdemo in this genre but I’m not an organist  
There is soooo much we can do with this layering/morphing and using a daw. Here was my little try, (in thread Wurlitzer Organs? 9.4-21)

https://youtu.be/0RkFejcE1Ts

And about hammond sound, for theatre organ, reminiscent of old hammond X-66 and more, using organteq and other pianoteq sounds  Some of my examples, Shared files 17.4  21

https://forum.modartt.com/uploads.php?f...20like.mp3

Of course I'm waiting for vers 2 like everyone else. I love Organteq already and have made several hundreds recordings, in these forums and on my yt site.

Best wishes,

Stig

Pianoteqenthusiast, Organteqenthusiast, Harpteqenthusiast, Harpsichordteqenthusiast and experimenter

Last edited by Pianoteqenthusiast (18-06-2022 17:21)

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Hi Pianoteqenthusiast (Stig),

These are interesting  recordings. I think the Hammond drawbar one sounds more like the organ you are emulating than the theatre style one. But thanks for sharing.

The Tibia is a stopped flue stop with a really distinct character without tremolo. But with the theatre effect added it is gorgeous and hard to emulate it has a peculiar 'squeaky-sigh' in the upper octaves. I can't describe it well, but I know when I hear it. Many theatre registrations use this stop as the foundation and that's why there are more footages of this stop than any other, even a twelfth - they are a bit like the drawbars of the Hammond.

I would buy Organteq without hesitation if it offered different organ configurations (the romantic organ of Notre Dame, the classical organ at the Royal Albert Hall, the striking 1744 Hinsz Organ at Appingedam or the sweet theatre organ at Blackpool Tower with it's unusual third couplers...) - just like pianoteq offers different keyboard ones (not including the harp and tuned percussion instruments)

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Kreso wrote:

Yesterday, Modartt's newsletter mentioned the forthcoming release of Organteq 2. Any hints on the new sounds, features and release date ?

Pas des nouvelles, bonnes nouvelles - dicton...

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Organteq 2 is coming!

I'm sure that if patience was a deadly sin, rather than one of the seven capital virtues, we would all have far more of it.

Of course, one usually has no problem in remembering most of the seven deadly sins, which, after all, have been around, in a revised list, since AD 590. However, for those that may have forgotten, the opposing seven capital virtues are said to be the following:

chastity, temperance, charity, diligence, patience, kindness, and humility.

This list of admirable virtues may explain the generalised dearth of saints in contemporary society, I suppose.

Organteq 2 is coming! Are we there yet? Are we there yet?

Michael

Pianoteq 8 Studio plus all Instrument packs; Organteq 2; Debian; Reaper; Carla

Re: Organteq 2

Kreso wrote:

Yesterday, Modartt's newsletter mentioned the forthcoming release of Organteq 2. Any hints on the new sounds, features and release date ?


MODARTT, on vous écoute...

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DEZ wrote:

MODARTT, on vous écoute...

Merci pour la réponse !

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Does anyone know the price for the upgrade from Organteq 1.x.x to version 2? I can only see the full price for purchasing Organteq 2 outright. I've seen that the upgrade is free for recent Organteq 1 owners (i.e. "This upgrade is free and automatic for users who registered their Organteq licence for the first time after 27 September 2022."), but I'm wondering about prior owners...

Last edited by Marc Boulé (27-09-2023 13:30)

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Marc Boulé wrote:

Does anyone know the price for the upgrade from Organteq 1.x.x to version 2? I can only see the full price for purchasing Organteq 2 outright. I've seen that the upgrade is free for recent Organteq 1 owners (i.e. "This upgrade is free and automatic for users who registered their Organteq licence for the first time after 27 September 2022."), but I'm wondering about prior owners...


The price is 29€ . You can see it selecting "Buy" in the main menu of the web site and "Upgrade"

Last edited by Bidouille (27-09-2023 13:41)
Improvisation is, perhaps, the illusionist's art: but what would life be worth if we managed to lose all our illusions?
Pierre Cochereau

Re: Organteq 2

Marc Boulé wrote:

Does anyone know the price for the upgrade from Organteq 1.x.x to version 2? I can only see the full price for purchasing Organteq 2 outright. I've seen that the upgrade is free for recent Organteq 1 owners (i.e. "This upgrade is free and automatic for users who registered their Organteq licence for the first time after 27 September 2022."), but I'm wondering about prior owners...

I would recommend that you send an email via the support page, which is at https://www.modartt.com/support and select "my question is not on this list.. give your user details and the license you have and they will let you know where to go from there.

As today has been the official launch date, there's still a few things to do, so you should find out shortly, if not, just contact support and you'll get the help you need.

lew

Blind Music Producer, Composer, pianist and Church Organist. Accessibility development specialist for MacOS. Developing a solution for blind organists to have an accessible digital organ solution.

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Bidouille wrote:
Marc Boulé wrote:

Does anyone know the price for the upgrade from Organteq 1.x.x to version 2? I can only see the full price for purchasing Organteq 2 outright. I've seen that the upgrade is free for recent Organteq 1 owners (i.e. "This upgrade is free and automatic for users who registered their Organteq licence for the first time after 27 September 2022."), but I'm wondering about prior owners...


The price is 29€ . You can see it selecting "Buy" in the main menu of the web site and "Upgrade"

I would strongly encourage anyone to upgrade to Organteq 2. You will be blown away by what's been done. I can testify to that. Put it this way, it's organteq on steroids, You'll love what's been done and no doubt there'll be more to come with updates.

lew

Blind Music Producer, Composer, pianist and Church Organist. Accessibility development specialist for MacOS. Developing a solution for blind organists to have an accessible digital organ solution.

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Ah yes, I see it now, thanks to both of you, looking forward to trying this! I hope the VST load time has decreased as well, fingers crossed :-)

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Marc Boulé wrote:

Ah yes, I see it now, thanks to both of you, looking forward to trying this! I hope the VST load time has decreased as well, fingers crossed :-)

let us know what you think, The devs and moderators will be watching the forum for feedback, so let us know what you think, how the instrument makes you feel, etc. To be honest, if you have the original 1.6.5 version of organteq, don't bother with the trial, just upgrade at the offer price, then uninstall organteq itself, do an install of organteq 2 and play. simple as that.

lew

Blind Music Producer, Composer, pianist and Church Organist. Accessibility development specialist for MacOS. Developing a solution for blind organists to have an accessible digital organ solution.

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Ever since Organteq 2 was mentioned in Modartt's newsletter 2 years (!) ago, I've often gone to their webpage hoping today is the day! And today it is, and Organteq 2 is wonderful, just wonderful, and I've only been playing for 30 minutes. Congrats to the Modartt team, and THANK YOU!

Nikola

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nseljan wrote:

Ever since Organteq 2 was mentioned in Modartt's newsletter 2 years (!) ago, I've often gone to their webpage hoping today is the day! And today it is, and Organteq 2 is wonderful, just wonderful, and I've only been playing for 30 minutes. Congrats to the Modartt team, and THANK YOU!

Nikola

Glad you like it.

there's some amazing new stops, new functions and so much more to see and hear, so, sit back, play and get comfortable with Organteq 2.

Lew

Blind Music Producer, Composer, pianist and Church Organist. Accessibility development specialist for MacOS. Developing a solution for blind organists to have an accessible digital organ solution.

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Unfortunately I can't yet share in the joy. I purchased the upgrade, but I get this message.

"You have no authorization to download this file (organtek_setup_v200.exe)"

Maybe I'll try again later.

Later:

I tried it from my music PC, and it worked. Successful download.

Last edited by mitch_i (27-09-2023 17:56)

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Very happy to get the version 2. Unfortunately, for me, there is a black point which was already in the version 1.
I use Organteq to create some sequence with Cubase. I hoped that with the version 2, the change of stops woukd be saved when using the VST. But I have tried to register a short sequence, changing the combination. And no results. If I play my sequence, Organteq VST stays with the last combination used.
I hope that this will be fixed once.

Sorry if there is some fault when writing this post. English is not my native language

Improvisation is, perhaps, the illusionist's art: but what would life be worth if we managed to lose all our illusions?
Pierre Cochereau

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mitch_i wrote:

Unfortunately I can't yet share in the joy. I purchased the upgrade, but I get this message.

"You have no authorization to download this file (organtek_setup_v200.exe)"

Maybe I'll try again later.

Later:

I tried it from my music PC, and it worked. Successful download.

I had this problem as well. I had to sign out and then log back in in order to download it.

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Bidouille wrote:

Very happy to get the version 2. Unfortunately, for me, there is a black point which was already in the version 1.
I use Organteq to create some sequence with Cubase. I hoped that with the version 2, the change of stops woukd be saved when using the VST. But I have tried to register a short sequence, changing the combination. And no results. If I play my sequence, Organteq VST stays with the last combination used.
I hope that this will be fixed once.

Sorry if there is some fault when writing this post. English is not my native language

How did you change the combination? Via the Organteq GUI or using a MIDI command?

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OrganTeq II - A Quick Play

Here is a short video - the only think I would say is that the keyboard graphics at 150% jump around as keys are coloured show which note is currently playing. (I'm not talking of the deliberate moving of the whole console for 'artistic' considerations.)

Enjoy!


https://youtu.be/6ZchG12D6xg

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Organteq 2 - A full symphony orchestra!!!

Organteq 2 can sound like a full symphony orchestra WOW! Imagine if we would get this in our ipad too, an ipad version!!
As an experimenter, I love the sound.

Listen to this demo from 0.32 to end!

https://youtu.be/VLenpb_YGWo

All the best, everyone

Stig

Last edited by Pianoteqenthusiast (28-09-2023 17:06)

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OrganTeq II - A Quick Play "2"

Here is a second short video - you can definately see the black keys getting fatter and thinner as white keys are coloured to show they are sounding.No 'artistic' movement of the whole console this time!

Enjoy!


https://youtu.be/aA5c2x-EQ3w

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Instant purchase/upgrade.
Thank you so much, Modartt and Organteq 2 team and beta testers.

... After playing Organteq 2 for a while-- Very impressive upgrade. THANKS.

Last edited by Stephen_Doonan (28-09-2023 21:01)
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Linux, Pianoteq Pro, Organteq

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It is nice to have the list of presets in Organteq-2.
One that I miss is a "Continuo Organ" or some small organ to use as a continuo instrument in a group (I would use it for practicing).
It should not be hard to make one myself though: Just need single flute type pipes and a little less reverb, I guess.

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OrganTeq II - A Quick Play "3"

Here is a third short video comparing comparable principle choruses on the Baroque and Romantic Chapel organs...

Enjoy!


https://youtu.be/vAUBYBg-gNg

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allanb wrote:

It is nice to have the list of presets in Organteq-2.
One that I miss is a "Continuo Organ" or some small organ to use as a continuo instrument in a group (I would use it for practicing).
It should not be hard to make one myself though: Just need single flute type pipes and a little less reverb, I guess.


there is a 2 manual historic which can be treated as a single manual. Organteq 2 is more customisable in terms of stops, reverb management, voicing, etc, just sit back and play with the software, learn the new functions and you'll be stunned.

lew

Blind Music Producer, Composer, pianist and Church Organist. Accessibility development specialist for MacOS. Developing a solution for blind organists to have an accessible digital organ solution.

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Stephen_Doonan wrote:

Instant purchase/upgrade.
Thank you so much, Modartt and Organteq 2 team and beta testers.

... After playing Organteq 2 for a while-- Very impressive upgrade. THANKS.

Pretty wonderful indeed.
Now for that Hammond B3 …

Pianoteq Pro Studio with Bösendorfer, Shigeru Kawai and Organteq

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Fleer wrote:
Stephen_Doonan wrote:

Instant purchase/upgrade.
Thank you so much, Modartt and Organteq 2 team and beta testers.

... After playing Organteq 2 for a while-- Very impressive upgrade. THANKS.

Pretty wonderful indeed.
Now for that Hammond B3 …

The Hammond B3 wouldn't be something Modartt would add as part of organteq because it requires different modelling. As Organteq is a pipe modelling instrument and not tonewheel, organteq will offer different pipe voicings and maybe in the future, further stops / pipe configurations.

The B3 has been modelled / sampled by various developers over the years from the likes of Native Instruments, Arturia, etc, where as Organteq is the first pure mathmatical modelling of a pipe organ as a software instrument, so Organteq 2 breaks some serious ground with more to follow no doubt.

lew

Blind Music Producer, Composer, pianist and Church Organist. Accessibility development specialist for MacOS. Developing a solution for blind organists to have an accessible digital organ solution.

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lewisalexander2020 wrote:
Fleer wrote:
Stephen_Doonan wrote:

Instant purchase/upgrade.
Thank you so much, Modartt and Organteq 2 team and beta testers.

... After playing Organteq 2 for a while-- Very impressive upgrade. THANKS.

Pretty wonderful indeed.
Now for that Hammond B3 …

The Hammond B3 wouldn't be something Modartt would add as part of organteq because it requires different modelling. As Organteq is a pipe modelling instrument and not tonewheel, organteq will offer different pipe voicings and maybe in the future, further stops / pipe configurations.

The B3 has been modelled / sampled by various developers over the years from the likes of Native Instruments, Arturia, etc, where as Organteq is the first pure mathmatical modelling of a pipe organ as a software instrument, so Organteq 2 breaks some serious ground with more to follow no doubt.

lew

Good points.
Maybe they could think of these next:
Accordion
Harmonium
Pump organ
Harmonica

Pianoteq Pro Studio with Bösendorfer, Shigeru Kawai and Organteq

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Fleer wrote:
lewisalexander2020 wrote:
Fleer wrote:

Pretty wonderful indeed.
Now for that Hammond B3 …

The Hammond B3 wouldn't be something Modartt would add as part of organteq because it requires different modelling. As Organteq is a pipe modelling instrument and not tonewheel, organteq will offer different pipe voicings and maybe in the future, further stops / pipe configurations.

The B3 has been modelled / sampled by various developers over the years from the likes of Native Instruments, Arturia, etc, where as Organteq is the first pure mathmatical modelling of a pipe organ as a software instrument, so Organteq 2 breaks some serious ground with more to follow no doubt.

lew

Good points.
Maybe they could think of these next:
Accordion
Harmonium
Pump organ
Harmonica

I'd support the harmonium and pump organ. the harmonica wouldn't be something beneficial to organteq on the principle that organteq is a fully fledged 3 manual console. harmoniums are between 1 and 2 manuals and reed based, so the simulations could be taken as would be modelled the same way as the pipe voicing, same for the pump organ..

What we would benefit from is the option of blower noise, that includes volume, pitch, randomness of wind jitter, etc It's nice to hear the mechanical actions, but we don't have the blower noise, which would really be a nice finishing touch.

lew

Blind Music Producer, Composer, pianist and Church Organist. Accessibility development specialist for MacOS. Developing a solution for blind organists to have an accessible digital organ solution.

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allanb wrote:

It is nice to have the list of presets in Organteq-2.
One that I miss is a "Continuo Organ" or some small organ to use as a continuo instrument in a group (I would use it for practicing).
It should not be hard to make one myself though: Just need single flute type pipes and a little less reverb, I guess.

A late reply, but perhaps still useful: please take a look for Positiv1 in the fxp corner.

Analog Heyligers E1 organ, 13 stops, 2 manuals + pedal
December 2018 extension: third manual and midi
Software Organteq, GrandOrgue, Sweelinq