Hello,
Since the release of version 8, I have the feeling that overall the resonance is a little too present. To my ear this translates into a slight lack of precision, a kind of veil of sound that is a little too complex for my taste.
Is it possible to slightly reduce the overall resonance without losing the benefit of the V8 input?
Thanks,
SK
Hello,
Since the release of version 8, I have the feeling that overall the resonance is a little too present. To my ear this translates into a slight lack of precision, a kind of veil of sound that is a little too complex for my taste.
Is it possible to slightly reduce the overall resonance without losing the benefit of the V8 input?Thanks,
SK
You seem to want a global setting is that right?
No such global control. You can change presets with numerous controls, on a per preset basis.
I suggest you might need to consider your room acoustics and loudspeaker system, or does this apply for you equally when listening via headphones?
I suggest the Grotrian, Petrof and the Steinway B presets tend to be less subjectively resonant than the Bechstein or the D pack, or most especially the extra brightness of the Bluthner with it's aliquot strings.
Hope this helps in what you're aiming at..
A kind of global resonance alteration can be found within the Equalizer (the big button on front interface - I believe it's possibly one of the most overlooked tools with the most bang for buck inre resonance shaping), then in that panel, there are 2 other resonance related controls (they are buttons or tabs along the top line of the main Equalizer interface)..
One is "Res EQ" - (Resonance EQ) - you can adjust it from simple tilt thru to cutting/boosting any areas of tone within resonances that you like/dislike. Allows shaping the tone/prominence etc. of any frequency range which the resonances bring.
The other is "Res Dur" - (Resonance Duration) - very powerful for lengthening or reducing the 'time' that any range of resonant frequencies 'ring out'.. use it to totally dampen all resonances, or put a 'tilt' (lower one end, raise the other) for one example to lessen 'bass resonances whilst increasing treble ones' - or the inverse.. and also like the main EQ and Res EQ, you can make a great many fussy cuts/boosts if you like to really shape how the resonances play out.
Lowering 'sympathetic resonance' can lessen the extent of certain resonant behaviour.
Also, look at adjusting the top right sliders (from 'Impedance') and the ones below (hover mouse over them to read what they do) - those controls in that pane can reduce how much 'high' resonances are introduced, and also allow limiting how long those high resonances will 'ring out' too.
Between those things, you can get a crazy lively resonant overdone sound, or a really restricted almost resonance-free dumpy tub-like sound - or push for something between church bells down to a dull thumping hollow log. Of course, reality is somewhere nearer the default settings for any preset type - but getting something you like better is a fine goal - best of luck getting there!
When I used the words "global setting" I meant that in the traditional sense - a setting that would be applied globally, IOW to all the presets of all the packs at once.
If you could apply a change to those eq settings across all of the presets of all the packs it would badly affect lots of the existing presets replacing existing curves.
I don't think there is a universal solution to perceived excessive brightness with one preset that wouldn't mess up another one really badly.
I think it's better to do that as fine tuning per preset.
Most folks will have favourite presets anyway.
Something global btw would be very cool!
stamkorg hasn't replied yet, so not certain if there's more info which could help understand requirements there better - but for sure, there are different cases for global vs. focussed edits.
I'm thinking in hindsight maybe the question may not be so much 'how can I decrease res in some detailed way' but like a general 'maybe it's too resonant overall, so can Pianoteq take that into account and reduce it generally in future updates' or something ? IDK - but for sure, there has been some interest in some top-level global tools for this kind of thing in the past on the forum.
a
in the past, various times, when others were not so keen on the EQ tools supplied, I (and maybe others before/since) suggested a simple 'tilt EQ' slider or knob (dark to bright).. it's something which is easily seen as a 'dumb' kind of thing, but I've mentioned before, you see it on mastering grade tools and it's not a toy thing for entry-level people struggling with more detailed EQ tools.. you get things where you want, then tilt a little to either side for a finishing touch... can be simple as any extra on the front interface (applied to final stage signal chain, nothing internal needs touching).
b
how about an 'applied resonances level' slider? (think of a higher up the tree 'sympathetic resonance' slider.. levelling not just symp res but the total of tools generating res).
To my way of thinking, those 2 things could give quite complete control to the many user issues/ideas which often come down to something like:
"How can I make [less bright] or [less resonant] without having to dig into many individual controls?"
In a way, the defaults are so good now, many don't necessarily wish to do fine edits, but rather some last mile 'negate some res' (instead of learning/tweaking the genuinely brilliant Res EQ and Res Dur tools).. or 'negate some brightness' without having to hone hammers and again facing some learning curves with the main Equalizer or the EQ3 tools.
Just because I love those tools in Pianoteq, doesn't mean that I'm in broad company there.. In my time I've noticed that a lot of users run screaming from anything to do with fussing with EQ - not just a Pianoteq thing, he adds again for old time's sake
Thank you both for the answers.
I play exclusively with my headphones.
The idea of having a small global adjustment on the resonance is interesting. Juste an amount (in %)
That was the meaning of my request.
I'm going to test the equalizer settings.
And all the rest.
I don't know if I'm the only one to feel this but I sometimes have the impression that the resonances of Pianoteq are richer than on my acoustic one, it's disturbing.
In any case, I didn't have this listening on the V7.
Thank you both for the answers.
I play exclusively with my headphones.
The idea of having a small global adjustment on the resonance is interesting. Juste an amount (in %)
That was the meaning of my request.I'm going to test the equalizer settings.
And all the rest.I don't know if I'm the only one to feel this but I sometimes have the impression that the resonances of Pianoteq are richer than on my acoustic one, it's disturbing.
In any case, I didn't have this listening on the V7.
My guess a global EQ or simple global resonance slider may be added in the next version - in addition to the individual curves that can be saved and applied to whatever given preset.
Another option might be for them to offer three simple global preference settings for tech-phobic players - soft, neutral, bright. Or another slider with that as a scale.
If you want a global EQ you can pop it into a lightweight DAW like Reaper and apply the EQ there - along with other FX to soften the sound.
It is interesting how much opinions can differ on this. So we get threads about the sound being too metallic, not woody enough, too woody and so on..
Your headphones, monitoring, room acoustics all play a far more significant part than many obviously realise. Along with these considerations user's individual hearing curves play that part.
People's playback systems are exacerbating any minor issues. Unfortunately both cheaper headphones and loudspeakers drive units tend to struggle right where the human ear is most sensitive.
I would encourage you to try different headphones and possibly monitor loudspeakers and experiment on one favourite preset first. Get that to sound closer to what you want. Understand I am not blaming that kit, merely pointing out that it will exaggerate any issues for you.
Pianoteq like all virtual instruments is not perfect, but nothing that plays back piano sounds is anyway. Whether that's real recorded piano performances, physically model piano or sampled instrument piano.
I also hear some really horrid capsule resonances from microphones captured on virtual sampled pianos and classical piano recordings. A better quality playback system makes a huge difference.
Thank you both for the answers.
I play exclusively with my headphones.
The idea of having a small global adjustment on the resonance is interesting. Juste an amount (in %)
That was the meaning of my request.I'm going to test the equalizer settings.
And all the rest.I don't know if I'm the only one to feel this but I sometimes have the impression that the resonances of Pianoteq are richer than on my acoustic one, it's disturbing.
In any case, I didn't have this listening on the V7.
Not sure how many different models (and presets) you tried but on headphones there can be massive variances.
I always recommend increasing the condition slider (I like mine at 0.5) and trying some of the soft/warm presets, or in general Blüthner.
8.2 has hugely reduced what I used to think of as metallic buildup (for lack of a better term). I’ve posted some demos that I think sound just like a piano over headphones.