Re: I've now got a Casio PX-S5000

sigasa wrote:
groovy wrote:
sigasa wrote:

[...] the fact that I can play very very softly and control it at these low velocities, and they way it integrates with Modartt's Pianoteq.

Are you playing the PX-S5000 with its normal, factory default velocity and Pianoteq with normal 1:1 Mapping?

I haven't really delved into the velocity curves. I'm still playing using default on the Casio and an adjusted linear Ptq curve at the top end to reach 127 easier (0,1 to 100,127). Plays lovely with this.

Hope this is helpful groovy

Warmest regards,

Chris

hello Chris , congrats for your new piano .  Just a few  questions :

(1) have you adjusted the velocity curve , because you cannot achieve 127 no matter how you hit the key or have you flatten the  curve between 100 and 127 to reach maximum velocity easily ?

(2) can you confirm that hi-res midi works  and doesn’t it work by default via cc#88 messages . When I read the midi implementation of the Psx5000 I can’t the cc related command . If if works , assuming there is no change in the standard velocity curve in pianoteq , how does the real hi res curve works when you select a non linear curve in pianoteq UI ? How are the intermediate velocities adjusted :  I would assume linearly , but it is not documented .

(3) can you see the CC#88 messages in the PTQ midi window monitor ?

Cheers

Re: I've now got a Casio PX-S5000

Nice! I definitely like my CASIO CDP-135!

Re: I've now got a Casio PX-S5000

joannchr wrote:
sigasa wrote:
groovy wrote:

Are you playing the PX-S5000 with its normal, factory default velocity and Pianoteq with normal 1:1 Mapping?

I haven't really delved into the velocity curves. I'm still playing using default on the Casio and an adjusted linear Ptq curve at the top end to reach 127 easier (0,1 to 100,127). Plays lovely with this.

Hope this is helpful groovy

Warmest regards,

Chris

hello Chris , congrats for your new piano .  Just a few  questions :

(1) have you adjusted the velocity curve , because you cannot achieve 127 no matter how you hit the key or have you flatten the  curve between 100 and 127 to reach maximum velocity easily ?

still working on velocity curves

(2) can you confirm that hi-res midi works  and doesn’t it work by default via cc#88 messages . When I read the midi implementation of the Psx5000 I can’t the cc related command . If if works , assuming there is no change in the standard velocity curve in pianoteq , how does the real hi res curve works when you select a non linear curve in pianoteq UI ? How are the intermediate velocities adjusted :  I would assume linearly , but it is not documented .

Yes, cc#88 by default. Not sure on second point regarding cc#88 response when curve adjusted.

(3) can you see the CC#88 messages in the PTQ midi window monitor ?

Oh yes, you select either auto detect or cc#88 and you'll see them in midi monitor window.
Cheers

Hope this helps joannchr

Warmest regards,

Chris

Re: I've now got a Casio PX-S5000

sigasa wrote:
joannchr wrote:
sigasa wrote:

I haven't really delved into the velocity curves. I'm still playing using default on the Casio and an adjusted linear Ptq curve at the top end to reach 127 easier (0,1 to 100,127). Plays lovely with this.

Hope this is helpful groovy

Warmest regards,

Chris

hello Chris , congrats for your new piano .  Just a few  questions :

(1) have you adjusted the velocity curve , because you cannot achieve 127 no matter how you hit the key or have you flatten the  curve between 100 and 127 to reach maximum velocity easily ?

still working on velocity curves

(2) can you confirm that hi-res midi works  and doesn’t it work by default via cc#88 messages . When I read the midi implementation of the Psx5000 I can’t the cc related command . If if works , assuming there is no change in the standard velocity curve in pianoteq , how does the real hi res curve works when you select a non linear curve in pianoteq UI ? How are the intermediate velocities adjusted :  I would assume linearly , but it is not documented .

Yes, cc#88 by default. Not sure on second point regarding cc#88 response when curve adjusted.

(3) can you see the CC#88 messages in the PTQ midi window monitor ?

Oh yes, you select either auto detect or cc#88 and you'll see them in midi monitor window.
Cheers

Hope this helps joannchr

Warmest regards,

Chris

thanks Chris . Enjoy your new keyboard

Re: I've now got a Casio PX-S5000

I use top end 100,127 with my PX-S5000 too.

joannchr wrote:
sigasa wrote:
groovy wrote:

Are you playing the PX-S5000 with its normal, factory default velocity and Pianoteq with normal 1:1 Mapping?

I haven't really delved into the velocity curves. I'm still playing using default on the Casio and an adjusted linear Ptq curve at the top end to reach 127 easier (0,1 to 100,127). Plays lovely with this.

Hope this is helpful groovy

Warmest regards,

Chris

hello Chris , congrats for your new piano .  Just a few  questions :

(1) have you adjusted the velocity curve , because you cannot achieve 127 no matter how you hit the key or have you flatten the  curve between 100 and 127 to reach maximum velocity easily ?

(2) can you confirm that hi-res midi works  and doesn’t it work by default via cc#88 messages . When I read the midi implementation of the Psx5000 I can’t the cc related command . If if works , assuming there is no change in the standard velocity curve in pianoteq , how does the real hi res curve works when you select a non linear curve in pianoteq UI ? How are the intermediate velocities adjusted :  I would assume linearly , but it is not documented .

(3) can you see the CC#88 messages in the PTQ midi window monitor ?

Cheers

Re: I've now got a Casio PX-S5000

Panicking Ant wrote:

I use top end 100,127 with my PX-S5000 too.

I'm using the following at the minute...

Velocity = [1, 25, 127; 1, 35, 127]

I'll maybe work on the top end, but works very nice with PX-S 5000 default touch setting (medium).

Hope someone will try it.

Hope this helps,

Warmest regards,

Chris

Last edited by sigasa (31-10-2023 21:29)

Re: I've now got a Casio PX-S5000

sigasa wrote:
Panicking Ant wrote:

I use top end 100,127 with my PX-S5000 too.

I'm using the following at the minute...

Velocity = [1, 25, 127; 1, 35, 127]

I'll maybe work on the top end, but works very nice with PX-S 5000 default touch setting (medium).

Hope someone will try it.

Hope this helps,

Warmest regards,

Chris

so it’s a very minor change which is a good thing and shows that the Casio covers an extended range . The change will  brighten the sound . I wonder if the you cannot achieve the same result just using EQ boosting slightly mid frequencies but not high frequencies. Just a thought . They are so many parameters to play with including dynamics/volume that it takes quite a lot of adjustments to reach the ideal tuning which is always personal .

Re: I've now got a Casio PX-S5000

larrycalame wrote:

I intend to get my hands on a 5000 from Guitar Center in a few weeks to compare them side by side.

I'm still thinking about whether I should upgrade from the PX-S1000 to the PX-S5000.

@larrycalame: As a PX-S1000 owner, have you ever had the opportunity to compare it in the Guitar Center with a PX-S5000?

Re: I've now got a Casio PX-S5000

thowe wrote:
larrycalame wrote:

I intend to get my hands on a 5000 from Guitar Center in a few weeks to compare them side by side.

I'm still thinking about whether I should upgrade from the PX-S1000 to the PX-S5000.

@larrycalame: As a PX-S1000 owner, have you ever had the opportunity to compare it in the Guitar Center with a PX-S5000?

If it's any help, thowe, I had the opportunity to try both of these models side by side in my local music shop. My personal impression was that the action of the PX-S5000 was so much silkier than that of the PX-S1000 which felt more clunky. That's why I bought a PX-S5000 as opposed to the PX-S1000.

Hope this helps somewhat,

Warmest regards,

Chris

Re: I've now got a Casio PX-S5000

Thank you Chris.

I have now ordered a PX-S5000, partly as a result of your advice. A dealer had a return that he offered with a 35% discount.

As a step up from the PX-S1000, I will report back here. :-)

Re: I've now got a Casio PX-S5000

thowe wrote:

Thank you Chris.

I have now ordered a PX-S5000, partly as a result of your advice. A dealer had a return that he offered with a 35% discount.

As a step up from the PX-S1000, I will report back here. :-)

I look forward to hearing your thoughts,

Warmest regards,

Chris

Re: I've now got a Casio PX-S5000

sigasa wrote:
thowe wrote:

Thank you Chris.

I have now ordered a PX-S5000, partly as a result of your advice. A dealer had a return that he offered with a 35% discount.

As a step up from the PX-S1000, I will report back here. :-)

I look forward to hearing your thoughts,

Warmest regards,

Chris

I, too, am about to take delivery on a 5000 as a potential upgrade from the 1000. So I will also be chiming in with my take in a few days.

Re: I've now got a Casio PX-S5000

larrycalame wrote:
sigasa wrote:
thowe wrote:

Thank you Chris.

I have now ordered a PX-S5000, partly as a result of your advice. A dealer had a return that he offered with a 35% discount.

As a step up from the PX-S1000, I will report back here. :-)

I look forward to hearing your thoughts,

Warmest regards,

Chris

I, too, am about to take delivery on a 5000 as a potential upgrade from the 1000. So I will also be chiming in with my take in a few days.

Brilliant. Look forward to hearing from you, too.

Warmest regards,

Chris

Re: I've now got a Casio PX-S5000

larrycalame wrote:

I, too, am about to take delivery on a 5000 as a potential upgrade from the 1000. So I will also be chiming in with my take in a few days.

I'd be curious how you like the action compared to the FP-90X! I can't get my hands on one at any of the stores around here.

Re: I've now got a Casio PX-S5000

My PX-S5000 has arrived. And I am basically very satisfied. As described here, the keybed feels much more balanced and quieter. It really allows very, very fine dynamic control. The upgrade from the PX-S1000 has paid off.

However, I have now noticed that it is primarily the white keys that are soft and quiet. The black keys are generally much louder. And about 3 black keys are also slightly louder than the others. For example, the C3#. I have recorded a video:

Video Recording MP4

Frankly, since the white keys are now so quiet, it bothers me every time I hit a black key and it bounces so loudly.

Is this only the case with my keybed?

Re: I've now got a Casio PX-S5000

thowe wrote:

My PX-S5000 has arrived. And I am basically very satisfied. As described here, the keybed feels much more balanced and quieter. It really allows very, very fine dynamic control. The upgrade from the PX-S1000 has paid off.

However, I have now noticed that it is primarily the white keys that are soft and quiet. The black keys are generally much louder. And about 3 black keys are also slightly louder than the others. For example, the C3#. I have recorded a video:

Video Recording MP4

Frankly, since the white keys are now so quiet, it bothers me every time I hit a black key and it bounces so loudly.

Is this only the case with my keybed?

Yes, without the sound from Pianoteq or the PX-S5000's own sounds, the black keys do sound louder than the white keys on their release. However, if you use a realistic volume with Pianoteq or play the PX-S5000 at full volume, it shouldn't be an issue. To be perfectly honest, I don't notice it in normal playing.

Also I've stopped noticing the short pivot length. Just must have gotten used to it!

If you're not 100% satisfied, maybe return it and wait a month for the winter Namm 2024 where new musical instruments are debuted.

Just a suggestion.

Warmest regards,

Chris

Last edited by sigasa (18-12-2023 20:28)

Re: I've now got a Casio PX-S5000

Thanks Chris for confirming that it's normal for the black keys to bounce a bit more and be a bit louder.

I'll keep the PX-S5000 and enjoy playing it either way. I was able to buy it very cheaply (around $600). And maybe in 1 to 2 years there will be a new exciting instrument. Maybe a PX-S7100 with built-in USB Audio...?

I hope you continue to have fun with the PX-S5000 + Pianoteq. A powerful combination.

All the best
Tom

Re: I've now got a Casio PX-S5000

thowe wrote:

Thanks Chris for confirming that it's normal for the black keys to bounce a bit more and be a bit louder.

I'll keep the PX-S5000 and enjoy playing it either way. I was able to buy it very cheaply (around $600). And maybe in 1 to 2 years there will be a new exciting instrument. Maybe a PX-S7100 with built-in USB Audio...?

I hope you continue to have fun with the PX-S5000 + Pianoteq. A powerful combination.

All the best
Tom

Thank you Tom. All the very best,

Warmest regards,

Chris

Re: I've now got a Casio PX-S5000

Hi guys,

May I ask how those who own a PX-S5000 and use it to control Pianoteq, are getting on with it?

Personally I love it with the new update release 8.2. and my current settings.

I'm using normal touch on the PX-S5000 with Pianoteq dynamics slider set to 15 and Pianoteq velocity curve:         

Velocity = [ 0, 120; 1, 127]

I need to check what preset I'm using and what adjustments I may have made to it, but if anyone is interested, I'll let you know.

Also I could post an MP3?

Warmest regards,

Chris

Last edited by sigasa (22-01-2024 18:57)

Re: I've now got a Casio PX-S5000

sigasa wrote:

Hi guys,

May I ask how those who own a PX-S5000 and use it to control Pianoteq, are getting on with it?

Personally I love it with the new update release 8.2. and my current settings.

I'm using normal touch on the PX-S5000 with Pianoteq dynamics slider set to 15 and Pianoteq velocity curve:         

Velocity = [ 0, 120; 1, 127]

I need to check what preset I'm using and what adjustments I may have made to it, but if anyone is interested, I'll let you know.

Also I could post an MP3?

Warmest regards,

Chris

P.s. I'm currently using the default 'Blüthner Classical BA Recording' preset with the above settings with a slight adjustment ('Medium Hall' reverb).

Warmest regards,

Chris

Re: I've now got a Casio PX-S5000

I am currently practicing with the Steinway B. I found that it sounds a bit weird in my beginner class when I play beginner pieces with a grand piano like Model D. The Model B or an upright are more suitable.

I also have Velocity = [ 0, 120; 1, 127] and that suits me quite well.

Re: I've now got a Casio PX-S5000

thowe wrote:

I am currently practicing with the Steinway B. I found that it sounds a bit weird in my beginner class when I play beginner pieces with a grand piano like Model D. The Model B or an upright are more suitable.

I also have Velocity = [ 0, 120; 1, 127] and that suits me quite well.

Hi Tom,

Thank you for your reply. How are you finding the new 8.2 update now?

Warmest regards,

Chris

Re: I've now got a Casio PX-S5000

Hi Chris

sigasa wrote:

How are you finding the new 8.2 update now?

To be honest: I haven't noticed any huge differences yet. But I haven't explicitly compared them either. I just play.

If I had to say something right now: I have the impression that it sounds somehow more real in the sense of additional vibrations from the piano. In other words, the illusion that I'm sitting at a Steinway has become a little more credible. But that was already impressive before. And it still is now.

When I think how small the program is, how quickly it starts, how flexibly everything can be adjusted. It's a dream.

Tom

Re: I've now got a Casio PX-S5000

sigasa wrote:

anyone has any questions?

How's the action after 6+ months?

Thanks!

MOTU M2 using native ASIO driver, Windows 11, weird tweaks needed to make it work, but seems fine now.
I have posted several times about tweaking Pianoteq

Re: I've now got a Casio PX-S5000

I picked up the PX- S7000 a few months ago, used at $500 off new, no tax so more of a savings... plus he threw in the custom piano stool.. nice..  also have a PX 1000 (mounted in a baby grand body mostly  and take it out it for gigs as it's light) ...  and the PX-560 and also 2 older PX 350s that I loaned out .. anyway .. I only have been using 560 with Pianoteq so far and I like it .. will being trying the 7000 soon with Pianoteq. About a month ago got the MacBook Pro M3 Max and a Solid State Logic SSL 2... Super low latency = awesome, as is the sound through various headphones . Should be a nice set up with PX7000. I'll have 2 setups. The 350 will go back to an 27 iMac and a older Focusrite Scarlet 18i20 (more latency but easy to get used to).Be fun comparing and dialing it all in .. the 2 setups will be an "L" shape so close together ..

Pianoteq 8, most pianos, Studiologic 73 Piano, Casio Px-560M, PX-S 3000, PX-S 1100, PX-S 7000, Mac i27 and MacBook Pro M3, SS Logic SSL 2

Re: I've now got a Casio PX-S5000

bani223 wrote:
sigasa wrote:

anyone has any questions?

How's the action after 6+ months?

Thanks!

I think I've had the PX-S5000 about one-and-a-half to two years now. The action is still like new. Mind you I cover it every time it's not in use. Stops dust getting in the sensors.

The only issue I've had is difficulty achieving smooth velocities in the lowest bass but I don't think it's a fault as such, but rather due to the short pivot length of the keys being harder to control.

I hope you enjoy your Casio.

Warmest regards,

Chris

Re: I've now got a Casio PX-S5000

sigasa wrote:
larrycalame wrote:
sigasa wrote:

REVIEW OF THE CASIO PX-S5000

I just wanted to say a great big thank you for my Casio PX-S5000 portable digital piano. I ordered it  yesterday afternoon. It arrived around noon today (Thursday June 29th). I have been playing it on and off this afternoon and evening and absolutely love the feel of he action, the fact that I can play very very softly and control it at these low velocities, and they way it integrates with Modartt's Pianoteq. Casio have put much thought and expertise into the three high end pianos and the action reflects this markedly. I studied piano tuning, maintenance and repair so I have some idea of how a piano should respond to touch. Casio have done a fantastic job. The action is in some ways reminiscent of the original Casio scaled hammer action in the old CDP range in that one can really feel the mechanics, but in the case of the PX-S5000, with more finesse. Also I love the feel of the key bottoming out. It is very definite without being noisy or painful. In this aspect it reminds me of the Roland FP80. And I was pleasantly surprised that the keys when playing toward the fallboard/felt are not as difficult to trigger there as I thought they would be given the short pivot length.

All in all, I'm very impressed with Casios's work. Well done Casio and thank you Anderton's.

Warmest regards,

Christopher Christopher Webber

Chris, I've been considering getting one of the newer Casios (5000, 6000, 7000). I currently use a Roland FP-90x at home for Pianoteq, and a Casio PX-S1000 for live performance. The Roland has better action and a built-in USB audio, so I don't need an audio interface to use Pianoteq. The Casio is lightweight and portable, but does not really lend itself to using Pianoteq, as it requires and external audio interface which is then plugged into the Casio's audio inputs. I'm wondering if the newer Casios might allow me to use Pianoteq directly, via USB audio.

From the Casio Instruments UK website:

"The Casio PX-S5000 is the newest addition to the incredible PX-S portable Privia piano range.

With a wealth of new technology inside, including Bluetooth Audio streaming, wireless MIDI, enhanced AiR Piano modelling and USB Audio recording, Casio have added even more to their popular ultra-portable piano..."

I'm not entirely sure what "USB audio recording" entails, but to address your question, it seems you're asking if you can connect a USB cable from your laptop to the Casio, play Pianoteq, and have the audio output through the Casio's speakers as well as external speakers connected to the Casio. This capability is available on the Roland, but you're unsure if it's the same for the Casio.

Re: I've now got a Casio PX-S5000

sigasa wrote:

The action is still like new.

Thank you for the reply. I do have a new Casio, as suggested. But I'd like to add to the discussion a caveat or two based on my recent experience. I think the PX-s5000 action is probably mid-tier, better than 1000-to-3100 (which have the notorious pivot length problems) and better than almost all the used keyboards available (various brands and models but many Clavinovas, some Rolands, and Casios: all of which were worn unevenly, mushy or too hard almost everywhere, with few exception), roughly comparable to various non-hybrid consoles like some Kawais (action is also a bit tough for me, except on their hybrid), and not as good as the Yamaha P525 (which is lighter and has a slightly weird key-heaviness gradient curve low to high-- but importantly for me lacks high-resolution MIDI output), or the Celviano hybrids. The s5000 is unevenly noisy in terms of black keys vs white, and to me not as pleasing as a new, less expensive PX-770, or the other Privias that share that action like PX-5S and such, various Nords, well maintained acoustic grands, a lovely refurbished Roland RD-700 I had the pleasure of encountering. Of course age, durability, reliability over time, and availability of repair make it all the more complicated. Sentimentality aside, my PX-5S is quite old and may never be quite right again so I would hesitate to re-buy that action even though I loved it new. And the 5000 has a nice smooth downstroke which just a touch of tactility representing a minimal escapement. On the other hand, the 5000 has a key release making the noises I mentioned that make it about as odd as can be, while still being playable. If I were to shop with a bigger budget, I might be looking at the Nords, the new Roland stages, and, as a dream digital option (after I befriend a piano mover), the top Celvianos.

Last edited by bani223 (23-05-2024 03:22)
MOTU M2 using native ASIO driver, Windows 11, weird tweaks needed to make it work, but seems fine now.
I have posted several times about tweaking Pianoteq

Re: I've now got a Casio PX-S5000

Just a heads up,

Assuming the PX-S5000 is on a level surface...

When white keys are played all the way down, they slope down toward the player. As I understand it, on a grand piano the white keys slope toward the harp when at rest and are level when fully played, i.e. flat.

Therefore I put two plastic (credit/bank etc.) cards under the feet of the PX-S5000 at each end at the front to correct this. It feels easier now to play evenly.

P.s. I'm using a single control point at 30x/50y with H1 on the Casio.

OT, performance as a plugin in a DAW is better than standalone for me for some strange reason??? Version 8.2.2

Re: I've now got a Casio PX-S5000

sigasa wrote:

OT, performance as a plugin in a DAW is better than standalone for me for some strange reason??? Version 8.2.2

FYI , I have noticed the same thing. I find performance better when I use Pianoteq as an AUi instrument on Mac with Reaper than with the standalone version.  Not really noticeable with recent silicon chips but very noticeable on older intel Macs.