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Topic: Fun fact about preset lists in Pianoteq.

Dear friends, I have been curious for a few years now. I have been observing how the presets are ordered in their respective lists. However, the following doubts arise:

- What would be the criteria used by developers to choose the first preset in the list?

- Why isn't the default preset always first in the list?

- Why don't presets of the same name on different instruments have the same settings?

As I said, it's just some curiosities that I have, nothing that really matters to the software.

Thanks in advance.

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Re: Fun fact about preset lists in Pianoteq.

I don't know the answer to your third point - I've often wondered about it myself. But I think I can help you with the first two. It seems that the Pianoteq preset list just follows the standard alpha-numeric ordering for computer data. So if you have a number of presets which you want to appear in a particular order, just rename them with prefixes such as A01, A02, etc. It works for me!

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dazric wrote:

I don't know the answer to your third point - I've often wondered about it myself. But I think I can help you with the first two. It seems that the Pianoteq preset list just follows the standard alpha-numeric ordering for computer data. So if you have a number of presets which you want to appear in a particular order, just rename them with prefixes such as A01, A02, etc. It works for me!


True friend. It seems to be a good hypothesis, as there is in fact the option to sort the presets in the "Preset Manager".

However, I note that, for example, NY Steinway D Classical is first on the list, while NY Steinway D Blues is third. It would be more logical if the NY Steinway Model D was first, since it is the standard.


On the NY Steinway D, the first is Classical;
On the HB Steinway D, the first is Classical;
At K2, the first is Warm;
At Steingraeber, the first is Warm;
In Ant. Petrof, the first is Warm
At Petrof Mistral, the first is Warm
In Grotrian, the first is the Prelude;
In the C. Bechstein DG, the first is the Prelude;
On the Steinway B, the first is the Improv
In Bluetnner, the first is Improv
In YC5, the first is Improv
In U4, the first is Tall

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Re: Fun fact about preset lists in Pianoteq.

That is very curious indeed! I hadn't taken notice of the ordering of the factory presets, because I usually use my own custom folders for preset selection. Custom folders do seem to follow the normal alpha-numeric ordering, but the Factory list? Well, it's a mystery!

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Re: Fun fact about preset lists in Pianoteq.

Professor Leandro Duarte wrote:
dazric wrote:

I don't know the answer to your third point - I've often wondered about it myself. But I think I can help you with the first two. It seems that the Pianoteq preset list just follows the standard alpha-numeric ordering for computer data. So if you have a number of presets which you want to appear in a particular order, just rename them with prefixes such as A01, A02, etc. It works for me!


True friend. It seems to be a good hypothesis, as there is in fact the option to sort the presets in the "Preset Manager".

However, I note that, for example, NY Steinway D Classical is first on the list, while NY Steinway D Blues is third. It would be more logical if the NY Steinway Model D was first, since it is the standard.


On the NY Steinway D, the first is Classical;
On the HB Steinway D, the first is Classical;
At K2, the first is Warm;
At Steingraeber, the first is Warm;
In Ant. Petrof, the first is Warm
At Petrof Mistral, the first is Warm
In Grotrian, the first is the Prelude;
In the C. Bechstein DG, the first is the Prelude;
On the Steinway B, the first is the Improv
In Bluetnner, the first is Improv
In YC5, the first is Improv
In U4, the first is Tall

The first preset in the examples seems to be chosen for their sound (ie. the best suited for the piano in question), either of Modartt's choosing or from user feedback.

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Re: Fun fact about preset lists in Pianoteq.

I once requested a preset called "Crap piano", like a piano in bad shape and not tunned for years, like saloons pianos in western films.
The word "crap" was probably not good for marketing. Háaa háaaa...
But Modartt created a preset quite like konk tonk piano and years later added the condition slider.

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Re: Fun fact about preset lists in Pianoteq.

studiosnch wrote:
Professor Leandro Duarte wrote:
dazric wrote:

I don't know the answer to your third point - I've often wondered about it myself. But I think I can help you with the first two. It seems that the Pianoteq preset list just follows the standard alpha-numeric ordering for computer data. So if you have a number of presets which you want to appear in a particular order, just rename them with prefixes such as A01, A02, etc. It works for me!


True friend. It seems to be a good hypothesis, as there is in fact the option to sort the presets in the "Preset Manager".

However, I note that, for example, NY Steinway D Classical is first on the list, while NY Steinway D Blues is third. It would be more logical if the NY Steinway Model D was first, since it is the standard.


On the NY Steinway D, the first is Classical;
On the HB Steinway D, the first is Classical;
At K2, the first is Warm;
At Steingraeber, the first is Warm;
In Ant. Petrof, the first is Warm
At Petrof Mistral, the first is Warm
In Grotrian, the first is the Prelude;
In the C. Bechstein DG, the first is the Prelude;
On the Steinway B, the first is the Improv
In Bluetnner, the first is Improv
In YC5, the first is Improv
In U4, the first is Tall

The first preset in the examples seems to be chosen for their sound (ie. the best suited for the piano in question), either of Modartt's choosing or from user feedback.

It seems to be an acceptable hypothesis.

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