This guy brings sampled pianos to life with Pianoteq FX (and a bit of Wavesfactory Trackspacer).
Wonderful to see how Pianoteq can even resuscitate static samples!
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PNPVl3ZAsbY
Ah excellent, you've found Andy ('miiindbullets' on the forum) out in the wild Fleer
Absolutely agree, it's an excellent presentation - not just a great demonstration of the feature (and how to really utilize it well), but helpful transparent 'thought processing' as well as some extra help given esp. inre 'set MIDI to zero' trick (flattening the velocity curve).
Here's the thread where he posted this if you'd enjoy seeing more - Oliver W had begun the topic showing very well how he does things also with some clever script etc. for Mac Logic users etc. and shows his interesting technique/results also with some fine videos - with hat tip to everyone trying this resonances tool out. It's really an excellent recent new ability of Pianoteq.
Pianoteq 8 used just for resonances with a real sampled Piano
Here's the thread where he posted this if you'd enjoy seeing more - Oliver W had begun the topic showing very well how he does things also with some clever script etc. for Mac Logic users etc. and shows his interesting technique/results also with some fine videos - with hat tip to everyone trying this resonances tool out. It's really an excellent recent new ability of Pianoteq.
Pianoteq 8 used just for resonances with a real sampled Piano
Wonderful indeed, thanks Qexl !
Hey Fleer, nice to meet you, and glad you found it interesting!
I just checked that, it's very interesting.
Using NOIRE from NI, that I like particularly for its mellow sound, I saw that with this technique Pianoteq can add the repedalling resonance that lacks in NOIRE.
It needs some tweaks for shure but seems a possible and relatively easy way to improve our sampled pianos.
Does the modeled resonance depend on the tuning of the keys (piano strings)?
Hi @Joseph - that's a great question. From my POV, the engine is live, producing real piano resonances based on notes, velocity and all kinds of physics relating to your actual performance, in relation to how it would sound if generated by the real piano modelled. Some pianos may have subtle or tame resonances, some more broad or scatterd.. some may sound more tightly 'tuned' in a way (with the resonances hugging the music's key - faster/slower etc.) - but this is based on how the various pianos respond IRL, so each one's resonances will be born of the whole piano. You could match 2 Steinways or mix up or mismatch pianos for interesting variant sounds (no harm in trying things to get your own sound over time beyond defauls).
Like the other elements of a Pianoteq piano/preset's sound, the resonances are generated in real time - and is genuinely different in each/any piano/preset.. so if you love something about a particular piano, but it lacks something (like not enough post-damper resonances, or longer tails), then you can get great mileage from applying the resonances of any piano to any other (even other Pianoteq pianos.. it doesn't need to be an other software piano).
Glad you got good mileage there stamkorg.
As an aside, maybe a good spot to express these ideas.. the video and other thread is about using the resonances feature with other piano software, but for sure, this also works wonderfully with Pianoteq pianos/presets (it's prob easy to overlook that possibility, or maybe some users don't use other piano software - just like to cover that fact that it's OK to do this with just Pianoteq pianos too. Instead of loading a different piano software, we can load Pianoteq on 1 track in a DAW, then another instance of Pianoteq for the resonances track for a basic outline.. and follow the video trail.).
A 'key' part to this feature, is kind of having that vivid resonance on its own channel (unlimited options inre mixing that by itself - with/without other onboard audio tools - some mixer-minded people can easily assume a kind of throw to a reverb send/return setup - but with pretty genuinely realistic piano resonances instead). The user's ability to choose the mix levels and so on, gluing it together by ear is not only fun but can make 'what happens' in a real room come more to life too. For sure Oliver's vid and thread and Andy's vid works through all that really nicely.
Will put this here as a feature request I guess:
I'd just also suggest it's probably a logical home for the feature too.. perhaps in future it would be an excellent thing for an additional tailored feature built into "Pianoteq Layers" section itself‽
Some reasons: Even in stand-alone mode, users could then for example, use "Layers" to begin, load 2 pianos, then with one selected, click without fuss something like: "Convert this layer to a resonance layer".. so that someone might make layer 1 be just a fav full piano which they'd like to 'juice up', then create layer 2 (or more), make that/those into resonance layer(s).. maybe a slider to balance between these layers' resonances only when selected.. disable resonances in 1 layer or more etc.. - a bunch of things come to mind.
Should add that I find it excellent to tailor any other source too in various ways beyond just reverb - esp. for creative sound-scaping or other things even non-musical.
Again, excellent presentation in your vid Andy - your passion and ease with these tools is surely a fabulous inspiration to many who witness it. Fleer is a super person! and it's my pleasure to enjoy creative people expressing ideas like this - hat is off to you guys!
Qexl, that's an excellent point about mixing and matching pianos and resonance within Pianoteq! I love your idea of integrating that with the Pianoteq layers section.
Appreciate your kind words, also!
Great results mix and matching the static sounding digital sample pianos with the dynamic Pianoteq resonance. Sounded extremely good in my opinion. Almost gets the edge on vanilla Pianoteq once you get to put the Trackspacer on the resonance to get it out of the way of the dry. No fair though, but ha ha anway!
Would be great if Pianoteq lets you output aspects of the model to different tracks. Seems like they already have a mode for outputing a wet signal. Is there anything that can be toggled or set to effectively get the dry?
It's kind of possible to really deconstruct a lot of aspects of the piano, in different ways, dry/wet.
You could definitely though, make separate instances of Pianoteq, with the same piano loaded, but each with various aspects edited (subtle to wild) on/off or altered on each track, from FX/reverb(s) or resonances (before loading any separate FX).
Editing the resonances themselves is pretty deep in scope! it should be said too.. we don't need to take the default setting (esp. if mixing with other pianos).. we can scoop or boost the 'Res EQ' and adjust 'Res duration' across the EQ range (like having bass resonances end abruptly and a longer ringing out of a frequency range you enjoy matched with the piano for an example. Those are both fully editable curves like, sub tabs in the main Equalizer.)
But, yes definitely, whilst possible to really dramatically edit Pianoteq and instances, it's a nice little dream to have a few buttons perform the type of complete resonances routine shown in the vids and thread linked above within Pianoteq layers. I'd think of it a little, as Pianoteq more firmly owning the technique perhaps, rather than it being known as the way to use other pianos.
So much fun in this feature set though
Oh, while thinking about the track spacer tool (ducking), I'm wondering if resonances could be similarly 'ducking' via layers. So for example, if layer 2 is just a Res Layer, then Layer 1 *full piano might predominate over layer 2 'kind of' like ducking but in a possibly more natural sounding way (the physics way, recreating the old recording technique via 'what happens really, when these 2 signals meet in the air?? Maybe one volume doesn't go down, nor some confluence of compression/dynamic or other, nor some EQ only notch or hill dance - but IDK, my mind sees the spectra mingling, like plus/minus for each note and inbetween.. but each note suffices in a musical way perhaps better for piano..), 'meshing' the spectral info - may even be fairly inexpensive computationally?? IDK - just putting it in the realm of maybe doable and hopin'
Very creative mixing and matching indeed. Excellent adaptation of the flow-through resonance feature of Pianoteq to modify the output of recorded sample libraries.