Topic: Choosing a new audio interface

I’ve had a Focusrite 2i4 Gen2 for quite a number of years. I’m looking to upgrade and that model is discontinued.

I need an audio interface with two sets of RCA unbalanced outputs and one set of 1/4’’ balanced, I’m exclusively using this with my Kawai NV10S and Pianoteq and other VST pianos.

The only two audio interfaces which have the outputs I need seem to be:
Solid State Logic SSL2+
and
Steinberg UR24C

I prefer the form factor of the Steinberg but wondering if any owners could give me feedback to push me towards one or the other. Again, I’m only using this with a USB connection to my PC to let me output the digital signal from software instruments played under Cantabile to a set of external monitors and back to the line-in of my digital piano. I’m also feeding the second unbalanced RCA output over to a audio receiver.

Also a naive question: I’ve always connected my digital piano to my PC via either USB or a MIDI to USB adapter. The audio adapter is also connected to my PC. I"ve always wondered about the MIDI in/out jacks on the audio interfaces. Can I plug my DP directly into these instead of going into my PC, and what are the advantages?

Re: Choosing a new audio interface

jonfrommaine wrote:

Also a naive question: I’ve always connected my digital piano to my PC via either USB or a MIDI to USB adapter. The audio adapter is also connected to my PC. I"ve always wondered about the MIDI in/out jacks on the audio interfaces. Can I plug my DP directly into these instead of going into my PC, and what are the advantages?

Yes, you can. I connect my two digital piano as follows:

Kawai CL35 (MIDI DIN5 output) -> plug to plug DIN5 cable -> Berhinger UMC204HD (MIDI DIN5 input) -> A to B USB cable -> PC
Kawai MP11 (MIDI DIN5 output) -> plug to plug DIN5 cable -> Berhinger UMC404HD (MIDI DIN5 input) -> A to B USB cable ->PC

Pros:
Requires only one USB port (Convenient for minimizing laptop USB usage).
Cons:
You'll need a plug-to-plug DIN5 cable (two if you want to enable bidirectional communication).
Not every modern digital piano has DIN5 MIDI jacks.

In my case, I prefer this setup because it allows me to communicate my laptop and the digital piano with just a single connection. This is particularly important for me since my laptop has only three USB ports: one for the mouse, one for the piano, and the last one in reserve.

Re: Choosing a new audio interface

jonfrommaine wrote:

I’ve had a Focusrite 2i4 Gen2 for quite a number of years. I’m looking to upgrade and that model is discontinued.

I need an audio interface with two sets of RCA unbalanced outputs and one set of 1/4’’ balanced, I’m exclusively using this with my Kawai NV10S and Pianoteq and other VST pianos.

The only two audio interfaces which have the outputs I need seem to be:
Solid State Logic SSL2+
and
Steinberg UR24C

I prefer the form factor of the Steinberg but wondering if any owners could give me feedback to push me towards one or the other. Again, I’m only using this with a USB connection to my PC to let me output the digital signal from software instruments played under Cantabile to a set of external monitors and back to the line-in of my digital piano. I’m also feeding the second unbalanced RCA output over to a audio receiver.

Also a naive question: I’ve always connected my digital piano to my PC via either USB or a MIDI to USB adapter. The audio adapter is also connected to my PC. I"ve always wondered about the MIDI in/out jacks on the audio interfaces. Can I plug my DP directly into these instead of going into my PC, and what are the advantages?

MOTU M2? One of the better bets at that price range.

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dikrek wrote:

MOTU M2? One of the better bets at that price range.

I don’t think Motu has a model with the outputs I need.

Re: Choosing a new audio interface

jonfrommaine wrote:
dikrek wrote:

MOTU M2? One of the better bets at that price range.

I don’t think Motu has a model with the outputs I need.

RCA and quarter inch? Check the M2, what am I missing?

Re: Choosing a new audio interface

marcos daniel wrote:

Yes, you can. I connect my two digital piano as follows:

Kawai CL35 (MIDI DIN5 output) -> plug to plug DIN5 cable -> Berhinger UMC204HD (MIDI DIN5 input) -> A to B USB cable -> PC
Kawai MP11 (MIDI DIN5 output) -> plug to plug DIN5 cable -> Berhinger UMC404HD (MIDI DIN5 input) -> A to B USB cable ->PC

Pros:
Requires only one USB port (Convenient for minimizing laptop USB usage).
Cons:
You'll need a plug-to-plug DIN5 cable (two if you want to enable bidirectional communication).
Not every modern digital piano has DIN5 MIDI jacks.
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Very interesting. My Kawai NV10S has both USB to host and MIDI in/out jacks. I am using the MIDI in and out with a Roland UM-ONE with a USB plug to my PC (a Lenova Tiny P360 which has plenty of USB slots so not a problem there).

The part that intrigues me is the possibiity of doing away with the analog output I'm feeding from my Focusrite 2i4 back to the analog line in on the NV10S. I do this so I can mix the sound going to my Yamaha HS7 external monitors and the internal sound system on the piano. There are some weird artifacts (occassional loud 'popping' noise) through the DP speakers which appear to be related to the analog line-in volume adjustment on the Kawai and I like the thought of a digital input back into the piano instead of the analog line in. My understanding is that USB-to-host is one way (I also have a Yamaha P515 with an internal audio interface where the USB goes both out to the PC and back into the piano). I'm curious what the MIDI in on the Kawai does and if it actually allows a digital signal to be processed by the piano if I go MIDI in + out directly to my Focusrite. All my wiring's tucked away and before I start tearing it apart I'll try to confirm that what you're describing will work on my piano so that I can eliminate the analog line-in.

Re: Choosing a new audio interface

dikrek wrote:
jonfrommaine wrote:
dikrek wrote:

MOTU M2? One of the better bets at that price range.

I don’t think Motu has a model with the outputs I need.

RCA and quarter inch? Check the M2, what am I missing?

I need a balanced 1/4 plus an additional two sets of RCA (I can also do an additional two sets of 1/4 and use 1/4 to RCA adapters, but I need the three L/R sets.

The Focusrite 2i4 plus the two other interfaces I mentioned seem to be unique in providing three sets of analog outputs in the under $300 price range.

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A Motu M4 ?

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Borealis wrote:

A Motu M4 ?

Ahhh...missed that one. It certainly has enough outputs. I'll have to read the user guide. I'm not clear on the difference between the standard and 'monitor' outputs. But if it can feed a balanced signal to my Yamaha HS7s and the same signal via RCA to my Kawai line-in and to my stereo receiver then it just went to the top of the list. I have heard good things about the Motu line.

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I have some old keyboards which the company no longer supports with drivers. Audio interfaces with midi i/o tend to be better with updating drivers, in my experience, so it's ok to go midi from keyboard into the interface and let the interface piggyback the signal over usb. But it is better to use usb from the keyboard to the computer if a proper driver is provided because it will provide better functionality than the generic midi some interfaces provide.

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My MOTU M4 (under $300) can do the job. It is robust and excellent, with very high audio quality with the normal XLR combo and 1/4 inputs, and it is very flexible.

It also has both four RCA and four 1/4 inch outputs, is USB-C powered and data connected, and has MIDI.
But the thing that truly pushed it over the edge for me is it has excellent built-in continuous metering for all four inputs and all four outputs.

I have used this for lots of live performances and also for recording for three years.

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I have a MOTU M2, the updated model from 2021. It's pretty good and it was a good buy. It has been reliable. It works on Linux by the way. The M4 is like the M2. It has more ins and outs. You can connect the keyboard to the midi of the MOTU if you prefer, but I use the USB and it also works fine. It can sample fast. I run it up at 96k which gives a small improvement over the default.
The M2 has balanced jack, RCA, and headphone outputs with volume controls, so it's a DAC-preamp. I actually use the headphone output connected to an integrated amplifier. The balanced output is more powerful, clean and clear, but I find it a bit harsh. The headphone output sounds more pleasing. The RCA output has less volume. The specs in the manual are balanced TRS 16dBu, RCA 9.5dBu, & TRS stereo headphones 12.5dBu.
The input preamps are pretty good.
I'm thinking of buying an audiophile DAC as an upgrade for using with Pianoteq and the computer. But then again maybe not. It has been synergising pretty well recently.

Last edited by Declanomad (19-10-2023 22:03)

Re: Choosing a new audio interface

Thanks for the responses. Will probably go with the Moto M4 over the Steinberg, though they seem very similar given my needs. I really don't even need any analog inputs as I only use this with my digital piano.

What I do need is two sets of line level (not adjusted with monitor volume knob) outputs for my piano line-in and my stereo receiver input, and one balanced output for my monitor speakers (controlled by the monitor volume knob).

Both Motu and Steinberg have two sets of RCA outputs, but one is attenuated by the volume knob. The Motu has an additional non-monitor balanced output. That's probably what I should use for the 2nd line-level output, however the manual says that you need a special cable to convert this to unbalanced (floating ground?). What I'd want would be a (balanced) TRS to unbalanced RCA. Do I need a special cable for this, or would any TRS to RCA do?

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jonfrommaine wrote:

The Motu has an additional non-monitor balanced output. That's probably what I should use for the 2nd line-level output, however the manual says that you need a special cable to convert this to unbalanced (floating ground?). What I'd want would be a (balanced) TRS to unbalanced RCA. Do I need a special cable for this, or would any TRS to RCA do?

For the balanced TRS to RCA you ought to not connect the cold wire (according to the manual). This cable is non-standard, so not easy to buy. You can make one up yourself, or get two TRS stereo <-> 2 RCA cables and just use one of each of the RCAs, the one which has the stronger signal. To use the headphone output, which is what I do, you need a TRS stereo <--> 2 RCA cable.

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Just my two cents: I recently bought the Steinberg UR24C as a replacement for my 2i4. I bought it mostly because the Steinberg UR24C allows to connect an iPad, which I didn't get to work with the 2i4.
I am just very happy with it, works like a charm and feels robust.

By the way, as most of such devices do: if you first connect is, steinberg wants to install all kinds of "important" software to your device that you actually don't need. Just say no and it works.