Topic: Fingering notation in scale manual?

Hi there,

I am working on stuff in the ABRSM Scale [...] Manual, and they use a notation/ hint that I don't quite  understand. In each upper left corner there is a box with finger numbers and where a certain finger number of each hand will land.  Like "4 on RH Bflat, LH G".

I understand that in the scale RH 4 hits Bflat, but is this a standard notation / memnonic ?  A link would be fantastic. 

I can't figure out how to upload an image or I would do that.

https://shop.abrsm.org/shop/prod/ABRSM-...ios/699147

Thanks!

Last edited by wws (14-08-2023 00:59)

Re: Fingering notation in scale manual?

These are reminders to the pianist where the fourth finger will land.

All Diatonic Scales (Major and Minor Derivatives including Melodic, Harmonic and Natural) consist of 7 distinct notes before the octave is reached. To play these scales you will notice a reoccurring fingering pattern thus: [1-2-3]-[1-2-3-4]


For Example:

Ascending Scales - Right Hand:

C, G, D, A and B Majors all have this exact pattern.

F Major starts at group 2 - [1-2-3-4]-[1-2-3]

Eb Major starts mid-way through group 1 - ..3]-[1-2-3-4]-[1-2...

etc...


Finger Substitutions

You will notice that in your ABRSM book Eb is indicated to start with finger 2 - you can just as easily and correctly start with 3. This might be indicated thus (3) on the score?

You will further notice that at the top of the scale 5 is indicated for C, G, D, A and B Major - this is usual for ease of 'turn-a-round' before you descend the scale - but you could also quite as easily play 1 ... (Although this might not be recommended by the majority !)


Hopefully this helps to understand the quick 'reminder' at the top of the scale page. You might prefer to write your own reminder thus: RH [1-2-3]-[1-2-3-4] or simply RH [1-2-3]. LH ..1][4-3-2-1]


HINT: B Major is by far the easiest scale for the Right-hand as the notes naturally fall under the hand when practising passing your thumb under and F# Major for the left hand... CHECK YOUR BOOK FOR FINGERING and not the reoccurring pattern - I've not touched the Left-hand or descending scale patterns here!


Happy Scaling the heights of Piano Technique - Scales !

Re: Fingering notation in scale manual?

DEZ wrote:

These are reminders to the pianist where the fourth finger will land.

THanks for that.  I understand that it's a reminder on where my fourth finger will land, but I feel like there is more musical tradition than just that.   Most of the directions are either for the 4th or 5th finger, and it feels very stylized, so I wonder about the bigger history?

(I wish I could upload images!)

Oh, I am just starting, but I hope to master all the scales (incl 3rds, 6ths, contrary, etc) and arps in the book for the first 5 baby scales :  C, G, D, F, Bb. 

tx!

Re: Fingering notation in scale manual?

Congratulations on embarking on a 'grand' journey !

There is no historical tradition or bigger picture with the way that the ABRSM have printed their piano scale book. If you look at other exam boards you will see they have a different approach to what they think might be useful to beginning students.

Personally, I don't find the Forth Finger hint that useful - I just want to know what finger to start with and where the first passing of the thumb is the rest is easily and quickly worked out.

As you are starting out, I would like to disabuse you of the idea that there are baby scales - each scale is to be approached with the same respect and determination - you are looking to achieve a consistent tone and dynamic for each step as you ascend and descend the scale this is only achieve by slow practice.

Like I said - Happy Scaling !

Re: Fingering notation in scale manual?

If you're curious about history, the standard scale fingerings go way back. Here's Pleyel & Dussek's piano method, first published in 1797 (see pages 21 and 25 of the PDF): https://vmirror.imslp.org/files/imglnks...el_BDH.pdf

Last edited by dazric (14-08-2023 15:02)

Re: Fingering notation in scale manual?

dazric wrote:

If you're curious about history, the standard scale fingerings go way back. Here's Pleyel & Dussek's piano method, first published in 1797 (see pages 21 and 25 of the PDF): https://vmirror.imslp.org/files/imglnks...el_BDH.pdf

My teacher presented the basic major scales in a specific order that seemed great, I then saw that same grouping in a book from the 19th century in IMSLP.  I love that historical continuity and richness...