Topic: Same stops on manuals

Hi dear Organteq development team and users,
I see some same stops on different manuals (B8', G8', T8' etc.), which generate similar sound when pulled out.
Do they employ different physical models or is the difference between them limited to the stop volume and minor volume/detune adjustments?

Sorry if this topic or question was posted earlier (although I cannot find one).

Last edited by Klest (27-03-2021 20:08)

Re: Same stops on manuals

While they are very similar, my understanding is that they are indeed based on multiple different models and the system emulates them separately.

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Re: Same stops on manuals

tmyoung wrote:

While they are very similar, my understanding is that they are indeed based on multiple different models and the system emulates them separately.

The stops are identical, there's no difference. I was speaking with my friend and console maker who was trying this out. I openly admit I love this software to bits, but we both agree. 8" trumpet regardless of what manual you place it on has no difference and as such there should be some differences to pipe voicings.

what does concern me is the limited number of pipe specifications available, there should be a lot more available.

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Re: Same stops on manuals

It's a pity if so. Actually, Cavaillé-Coll's greatest organs also had same-name stops on different manuals, although I suppose the respective pipes sounded a bit differently, at least because of their different locations. Hopefully Organteq will get more stops to choose from then.

Last edited by Klest (03-04-2021 21:41)

Re: Same stops on manuals

Klest wrote:

It's a pity if so. Actually, Cavaillé-Coll's greatest organs also had same-name stops on different manuals, although I suppose the respective pipes sounded a bit differently, at least because of their different locations. Hopefully Organteq will get more stops to choose from then.

If the difference in sound, for the same stops on different manuals, is due more to the respective pipes' differing localities, then you could achieve this by running four VST modules of Organteq on Carla. Each VST would map to a different manual on a one keyboard simple mapping preset. Then with each of the VST modules you could alter the reverb settings for each manual and thus "move" them about the virtual audio room, in the same way, for instance, that the organ of the Cathedral preset seems to be far distant from the organ in the Church preset.

Until Modartt allows us to apply reverb settings to individual manuals, within the application, then this is the only way I can think of producing a different tone for the same stops, when they appear of different manuals.

Michael

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Re: Same stops on manuals

Hello!
I have a question, would it be possible to have more stops per manual or it’s only 10 stops per manual and it cannot be expanded?

Regards.

Saleem.

Re: Same stops on manuals

If the difference in sound, for the same stops on different manuals, is due more to the respective pipes' differing localities, then you could achieve this by running four VST modules of Organteq on Carla. Each VST would map to a different manual on a one keyboard simple mapping preset. Then with each of the VST modules you could alter the reverb settings for each manual and thus "move" them about the virtual audio room, in the same way, for instance, that the organ of the Cathedral preset seems to be far distant from the organ in the Church preset.

You do not need a fancy VST setup to run multiple copies of organteq. I have just tested it on windows and you can run multiple copies at the same time. You can set each one up differently. For example each one can have a different reverb. Ideally, in order to play all of the organs at the same time you would feed the midi output of one into the midi input of the next - but as organteq has no midi output this shortcoming needs to be addressed by the organteq programmers. All other organs do have a midi output.

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