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Topic: Higher and lower volume notes at Pianoteq 8

Hi,
I am checking the pianoteq 8 stage and I noticed that my piano’s keys give different velocities at each key, although I press them with the same strength. Example: C4 and C5 are too loud. A4, A5 D4 and D5 are less loud. I checked the limiter bar and I also see the loudness difference visually there. To check if the problem is at my piano keyboard, I checked Pianoteq 7,5 and other VSTs. All work fine.
Would you be good enough to check this issue? It might be a future correction update.

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Re: Higher and lower volume notes at Pianoteq 8

hornet900 wrote:

Hi,
I am checking the pianoteq 8 stage and I noticed that my piano’s keys give different velocities at each key, although I press them with the same strength. Example: C4 and C5 are too loud. A4, A5 D4 and D5 are less loud. I checked the limiter bar and I also see the loudness difference visually there. To check if the problem is at my piano keyboard, I checked Pianoteq 7,5 and other VSTs. All work fine.
Would you be good enough to check this issue? It might be a future correction update.

What MIDI controller are you using?
Does it have its own velocity settings?

Are you experiencing this issue over all the instruments?
Did you also check the MIDI measurements made within Pianoteq itself?

I don't have Stage so if it turns out to be a Stage specific bug that's down to someone else to try.

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Re: Higher and lower volume notes at Pianoteq 8

Thank you for your reply,

My midi controller is the Yamaha clavinova CSP170. No problem there.

Yes, it happens to all instruments, the same keys.

But I found this:

The problem happens when I use the snowflake saved preferences. When I don’t use it, there is no problem!!! All notes velocities are equal. But when I use it, all keys go crazy. Different keys, crazy velocities. When I uncheck the snowflake button and change instrument or preset, problem disappears...

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Re: Higher and lower volume notes at Pianoteq 8

hornet900 wrote:

Hi,
I am checking the pianoteq 8 stage and I noticed that my piano’s keys give different velocities at each key, although I press them with the same strength. Example: C4 and C5 are too loud. A4, A5 D4 and D5 are less loud. I checked the limiter bar and I also see the loudness difference visually there. To check if the problem is at my piano keyboard, I checked Pianoteq 7,5 and other VSTs. All work fine.
Would you be good enough to check this issue? It might be a future correction update.

When you say your "keys give different velocities" even though you  "press them with the same strength", how have you tested this?  Is this a subjective feeling?  Or is it that you've looked at the Note On velocity values in the Options page under the Midi tab and you see that the velocities are the same?  If you haven't checked the Note On velocities on that page, that's the first thing to look at.  If the velocities are different it means the problem is either you or your piano.  If the velocities are the same, or nearly the same, and you're hearing different loudnesses, then the source of problem still needs to be tracked down.  (Also, all of this should be done with the velocity curve at its default of a straight ramp upward from 0 to 127.)

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Re: Higher and lower volume notes at Pianoteq 8

hornet900 wrote:

The problem happens when I use the snowflake saved preferences. When I don’t use it, there is no problem!!! All notes velocities are equal. But when I use it, all keys go crazy. Different keys, crazy velocities. When I uncheck the snowflake button and change instrument or preset, problem disappears...

"Crazy velocities"
That sounds like some kind of bug, but maybe you've done something drastic within the freeze parameters?
I would contact support, ask if they've noticed anything with that. I've never used that function and I've made loads of presets, combos and morph, just never wanted to carry those settings over.

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Re: Higher and lower volume notes at Pianoteq 8

Thank you for your replies and for your interest in my post!!!!!!
I t is a bug! I found it!!!!
You can test it by your self:
Choose any of the freezing parameters (diapason or volume or limiter, or many of them) and save them. Then use them by pressing the snowflake. You'll notice that after that, the keys are not equal any more. It's not just the C4 or D5. It's all of them. Their velocities go crazy. If then you press the snowflake off and you change preset or instrument, all goes back to normal!!!
I think it's a bug, Modartt needs to fix.

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Re: Higher and lower volume notes at Pianoteq 8

Hi all,

I have noticed that if I freeze the "main" volume, and arm the snowflake, it also freezes the note for note adjustments. This means that if I disarm snowflake and choose for example Steinway Classical (first preset), then arm snowflake and choose a different piano entirely, the offsets of note for note volume of the Steinway Classical presets will be transferred to the new preset, and indeed any other preset chosen, until the snowflake is disarmed again and a different preset chosen. (Hope this is not gobbledegook!!!).

This all means that as far as I can see we cannot freeze main volume without freezing note for note adjustments.

I would prefer the option to freeze main volume without note for note adjustments so the pianos would sound as intended.

Hope this helps someone,

Warmest regards,

Chris

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