Topic: "sympathetic resonance fed by external audio input" (problem)

Hi
I have tried to use the function, "sympathetic resonance fed by external audio input" in Pianoteq 8.
I use Studio One as my DAW.
It doesn't seem to be possible with Studio One.
Has anyone else tried this feature successfully?

Re: "sympathetic resonance fed by external audio input" (problem)

olepro wrote:

It doesn't seem to be possible with Studio One.
Has anyone else tried this feature successfully?

I also did not manage do it with Studio One, I'm afraid it is not possible to use this feature with this host.

Re: "sympathetic resonance fed by external audio input" (problem)

Hi,

I don't use Studio One, but tested the sympathetic resonance effect on Mac with Cubase Pro 12 and Logic Pro 10.7.5
There are two different routes, from which at least one should also work in Studio One.

In Cubase you will find Pianoteq 8 as an Insert Effect. You can insert it, as any other VST Effect, in Instrument and audio tracks.

In Logic, Pianoteq 8 doesn't show as an effect plugin. Here you have to load Pianoteq 8 as an instrument, as you would normally do, and then add the instrument or audio track you want to apply the effect to as a side chain signal.

Hope this helps.

Re: "sympathetic resonance fed by external audio input" (problem)

In Studio One, Pianoteq is not available as an insert effect. Other sidechain effects work with Studio One, but Pianoteq apparently does not generate an audio input that can be routed to in Studio One, unfortunately

Re: "sympathetic resonance fed by external audio input" (problem)

In ubuntu, in ripper, when sound passes through Pianoteq, I get distortion in the "dry" mode.

https://youtu.be/coqHLMPmdJM

Re: "sympathetic resonance fed by external audio input" (problem)

Maybe we can have a "FX" version of Pianoteq, just like Serum does?

Re: "sympathetic resonance fed by external audio input" (problem)

I couldn't figure it out with Studio One, but I also don't really understand the routing in S1, so that's not saying much. Hopefully it can be fixed soon!

Bitwig works great, although there are a few different ways to do this, and some work better (for me) than others. Here's how I did it, initially:

Pianoteq FX First Try

The first track is just a virtual instrument track running the Keyscape C7. It doesn't have any native sympathetic resonance, so it's a fun one to send into Pianoteq to give it a little life.

The second track (Pianoteq FX) is an audio track, receiving input from the first track, and there's a Pianoteq insert there which you can see in the screenshot is just adding resonance within Pianoteq itself.

What I didn't like about this is that the resonance is combined with the original signal on the track. You can see this by comparing the meter in the FX Pianoteq instance to the track meters.

I'm now taking this approach, instead, and like it a lot more:

Pianoteq FX Second Try

First track is the same.

Second track is still an audio track, but isn't receiving any input. The first insert is the "Audio Receiver" Bitwig device, which takes the audio from Keyscape C7 (POST). The next device, Pianoteq, provides sympathetic resonance as before. You can see the level meter for this track now matches with Pianoteq, and my resonance can be mixed independently from Keyscape.

Overall, it works well and sounds great. and I've not experienced any distortion others have reported when sliding the dry/wet or wood/strings parameters around.

Last edited by miiindbullets (09-12-2022 04:33)

Re: "sympathetic resonance fed by external audio input" (problem)

miiindbullets wrote:

Pianoteq FX Second Try

First track is the same.

Second track is still an audio track, but isn't receiving any input. The first insert is the "Audio Receiver" Bitwig device, which takes the audio from Keyscape C7 (POST). The next device, Pianoteq, provides sympathetic resonance as before. You can see the level meter for this track now matches with Pianoteq, and my resonance can be mixed independently from Keyscape.

Overall, it works well and sounds great. and I've not experienced any distortion others have reported when sliding the dry/wet or wood/strings parameters around.

Such a cool workaround! I like the idea of adding modeled resonances to any other sampled pianos I've got, I wonder whether tha's possible with Kontakt alone (no DAW) and whether there's any way to do this with Ableton if else.

P85>Kawai CA97>Numa XGT>FP90X>LX706
Pianoteq 8 Pro (all instruments) + Organteq 2
i7 4790K W11 64bits + UMC1820 + MTM + DT770 pro X
http://youtube.com/DavidIzquierdoAzzouz

Re: "sympathetic resonance fed by external audio input" (problem)

davidizquierdo82 wrote:
miiindbullets wrote:

Pianoteq FX Second Try
Overall, it works well and sounds great. and I've not experienced any distortion others have reported when sliding the dry/wet or wood/strings parameters around.

Such a cool workaround! I like the idea of adding modeled resonances to any other sampled pianos I've got, I wonder whether tha's possible with Kontakt alone (no DAW) and whether there's any way to do this with Ableton if else.

I would be glad if I was able to do it with Studio One ;-)

I think Modartt should figure out why this doesn't work on all DAW software. There must be something wrong with the way it is implemented in Pianoteq
I don't have this problem with other software plugins that has the option of audio input/sidechain in Studio One.
Hope there will be a solution to it

Re: "sympathetic resonance fed by external audio input" (problem)

olepro wrote:

I would be glad if I was able to do it with Studio One ;-)

I think Modartt should figure out why this doesn't work on all DAW software. There must be something wrong with the way it is implemented in Pianoteq
I don't have this problem with other software plugins that has the option of audio input/sidechain in Studio One.
Hope there will be a solution to it

Agreed! I like xwjcool's suggestion of an FX version. It would be cool to just drop it as an insert right on the instrument track, and have it ignore MIDI messages, just generating resonance.

Edit: Or even better, optionally read MIDI note on/off messages but disable the hammers, so dampers release when keys are pressed.

Last edited by miiindbullets (09-12-2022 17:13)

Re: "sympathetic resonance fed by external audio input" (problem)

davidizquierdo82 wrote:

Such a cool workaround! I like the idea of adding modeled resonances to any other sampled pianos I've got, I wonder whether tha's possible with Kontakt alone (no DAW) and whether there's any way to do this with Ableton if else.

I don't know much about using Kontakt outside the context of a DAW, that's an interesting question! It was pretty easy in Ableton. I just have 10 Lite that came bundled with some hardware I got, but I never use it, so there might be better ways to approach it. This seems to work, though:

https://i.imgur.com/UTqp1dE.jpg

I dropped Pianoteq onto the first instrument track, and noticed it had a sidechain right there on the Pianoteq device. I set that to pull audio from track 2, which I just put a random sample into and looped it, and can hear resonance if I solo the Pianoteq track. Neat!

Last edited by miiindbullets (09-12-2022 19:13)

Re: "sympathetic resonance fed by external audio input" (problem)

Does anyone know how to do this in FL Studio?   Incidentally, I'm understanding that Pianoteq has an effect plugin?  Excuse me if this sounds like an ignorant question.  I'm visually impaired and it was difficult to follow the Bitwig example without Bitwig.

Re: "sympathetic resonance fed by external audio input" (problem)

zenwarlord wrote:

Does anyone know how to do this in FL Studio?   Incidentally, I'm understanding that Pianoteq has an effect plugin?  Excuse me if this sounds like an ignorant question.  I'm visually impaired and it was difficult to follow the Bitwig example without Bitwig.

It's my understanding you need to "trick" FL Studio into allowing you to sidechain into Pianoteq. There's a workaround explained here -- hope this helps!
https://vi-control.net/community/thread...st-5506451