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Topic: "Broken" piano a la NIN/Nine Inch Nails?

Question: If I wanted to create "broken" piano sounds, would Standard be enough, or would Pro be required?

Scenario: I'm interested in taking advantage of the current sale, but family/holiday obligations prevent me from digging into the software enough to find out for myself before the sale ends. I've messed around with demo enough to determine that the traditional sounds are acceptable for my use, and that Standard has enough options for me.

Background: not a piano player, barely a guitar player. I really like the idea of modeling vs sampling.

TIA for your time and input!

Edit: corrected version names

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Re: "Broken" piano a la NIN/Nine Inch Nails?

TomBrokaw wrote:

...would Studio be enough, or would Pro be required?

There is PTQ Stage, Standard, and Pro. "Studio" is the term for the big one and includes Pro + all instruments.
So i guess you mean "standard or pro"?

I don't know the piano sound you're looking for, but you can horribly detune the instrument with both versions.
Play with the condition slider and unison width. With both versions you can even detune single notes to make it more convincing.
With the standard version you can change the following parameters via note-per-note edit: Volume, Detune, Attack Envelope.
With the pro version you get to fiddle with lots and lots more.

Post a YT link! I wanna hear an example from nine inch nails.

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Re: "Broken" piano a la NIN/Nine Inch Nails?

Zaskar wrote:
TomBrokaw wrote:

...would Studio be enough, or would Pro be required?

There is PTQ Stage, Standard, and Pro. "Studio" is the term for the big one and includes Pro + all instruments.
So i guess you mean "standard or pro"?

I don't know the piano sound you're looking for, but you can horribly detune the instrument with both versions.
Play with the condition slider and unison width. With both versions you can even detune single notes to make it more convincing.
With the standard version you can change the following parameters via note-per-note edit: Volume, Detune, Attack Envelope.
With the pro version you get to fiddle with lots and lots more.

Post a YT link! I wanna hear an example from nine inch nails.

Thanks, names corrected.

The song that prompted this question; specifically the melody that starts at about 0:16:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcIOInVS7jo

I'm hearing more than just out of tune - some notes seem to have more hammer noise (I think) and don't sustain correctly. Not sure what else.

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Re: "Broken" piano a la NIN/Nine Inch Nails?

...and maybe some variations in hammer hardness.

Maybe other users can dissect whats going on there.

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Re: "Broken" piano a la NIN/Nine Inch Nails?

Hmmm, when I look at the details of what Pro allows control over:
https://www.modartt.com/pianoteq_pro

and compare that to the interface in 8 Standard (demo), nearly all of them are there; the only ones I don't see are those that would apply to other instruments eg tine parameters, pinch harmonics, etc. So maybe Modartt made more things available in Standard with the new version?

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Re: "Broken" piano a la NIN/Nine Inch Nails?

Well, I had some unexpected time today after work and was able to get some decent results with the U4. Condition around three, increase unison width, decrease the three soundboard options, increase hammer, damper, and key release noise, set string length between 1 and 2 meters. I think it would work in a mix.  Couldn't get the same results with the Hamburg D. Maybe I'll have some more free time later, but I think the Standard will work for me.