Topic: A new mic emulation program has arrived--Lava

There's a 30 day demo version.

I'm usually skeptical of these, but this one is from Acustica. Here's the announcement and the reaction on Gearspace, along with a link to the demo version:  https://gearspace.com/board/new-product...beyer+m160 Haven't had time to play with it much, yet, and I do not know all of these mics, but at the very least, this provides a way to add different flavors to our existing mics. (And it's on sale right now.) You must scroll down to find the download link for the Lava program.

To see a list of source and target mics, you must download the manual from https://www.acustica-audio.com/pages/acqua-manuals .  Be sure to read the Tips and Tricks section on page 10 of the manual.

Last edited by Jake Johnson (29-09-2022 21:32)

Re: A new mic emulation program has arrived--Lava

So I've been experimenting with simply inserting Lava as an effect while using Pianoteq. Worth a try, I do believe:

Default NY Steinway Classical on Doug McKenzie's MIDI rendering of "Danny Boy": https://forum.modartt.com/uploads.php?f...cal%20.mp3

The same Pianoteq preset with Lava inserted, and set to render a U87A to an AKG C414: https://forum.modartt.com/uploads.php?f...effect.mp3

Doug McKenzie's wonderful MIDI file recording of "Danny Boy" :  https://forum.modartt.com/uploads.php?file=Dannyboy.mid
It is of course copyrighted and belongs to him. Please credit him when using this and his other files at https://bushgrafts.com/midi/

You may not want to listen to all of both recordings. My attempt here is just to provide a taste of what is possible.

Notes:
1. All of the Pianoteq settings were kept the same, including the effects.
2. There may be a way to replace each Pianoteq mic with a Lava mic, if one sent each mic to a separate Out in a DAW. I haven't gotten that far. All I've done here is load Pianoteq and add Lava as an effect in a single track in Harrison Mixbus. The Pianoteq preset includes 4 mics, and only the more distant mics are the U87's. (But they have more gain in the preset, to compensate for their distance.)
3. The only change I've made in Lava is to set oversampling to 1x, instead of the default setting of "Eco."
4. Does the result sound as though real U87's were changed to real C414's? Well, I doubt it, but I'm interested more in the variety of possible sounds than creating an exact simulation.

And:
1. Worth trying, if one experiments: In Lava, just leave the From box empty. Lava will still try to impose the "sound" of the target mic. Also try random mics in the From box and To box. The results can sometimes be overly-crisp, and sometimes good.
2. Listen particularly to the effect on the attack in the treble and upper treble. Some of these mics smooth out the transients, without losing the sense of a hammer, and sound musical in a way that may be appealing.

Last edited by Jake Johnson (01-10-2022 17:58)

Re: A new mic emulation program has arrived--Lava

Jake Johnson wrote:

So I've been experimenting with simply inserting Lava as an effect while using Pianoteq. Worth a try, I do believe:

Default NY Steinway Classical on Doug McKenzie's MIDI rendering of "Danny Boy": https://forum.modartt.com/uploads.php?f...cal%20.mp3

The same Pianoteq preset with Lava inserted, and set to render a U87A to an AKG C414: https://forum.modartt.com/uploads.php?f...effect.mp3

Doug McKenzie's wonderful MIDI file recording of "Danny Boy" :  https://forum.modartt.com/uploads.php?file=Dannyboy.mid
It is of course copyrighted and belongs to him. Please credit him when using this and his other files at https://bushgrafts.com/midi/

You may not want to listen to all of both recordings. My attempt here is just to provide a taste of what is possible.

Notes:
1. All of the Pianoteq settings were kept the same, including the effects.
2. There may be a way to replace each Pianoteq mic with a Lava mic, if one sent each mic to a separate Out in a DAW. I haven't gotten that far. All I've done here is load Pianoteq and add Lava as an effect in a single track in Harrison Mixbus. The Pianoteq preset includes 4 mics, and only the more distant mics are the U87's. (But they have more gain in the preset, to compensate for their distance.)
3. The only change I've made in Lava is to set oversampling to 1x, instead of the default setting of "Eco."
4. Does the result sound as though real U87's were changed to real C414's? Well, I doubt it, but I'm interested more in the variety of possible sounds than creating an exact simulation.

And:
1. Worth trying, if one experiments: In Lava, just leave the From box empty. Lava will still try to impose the "sound" of the target mic. Also try random mics in the From box and To box. The results can sometimes be overly-crisp, and sometimes good.
2. Listen particularly to the effect on the attack in the treble and upper treble. Some of these mics smooth out the transients, without losing the sense of a hammer, and sound musical in a way that may be appealing.

Hi Jake,

I don’t know what it is but this Lava thing really put “more Body” in Steinway. I can hear beautiful glue musicality between the notes when the Lava inserted. I can hear the tail of each sounds (rumble of the Piano overtone) painted beautifully. With this, each notes counts, clear, can be touch and feel when it’s building up. This is Music.
In my ear perspective, this could solve the Tinnitus problem that some of us experiences.

YouTube page: Dulistan Heman

Re: A new mic emulation program has arrived--Lava

I believe I heard subtle differences that I suspect could largely be replicated in subtle changes to EQ, moving virtual microphones and making level adjustments to existing microphones.

Also transformer output emulating plugins and/or pre amplifier plugins can produce similar pleasing results.
Broadly a softening we associate with analogue recordings. Quite subtle really.

Pianoteq sounded more clinical here (in this specific case) without Lava. One man's clinical might be another man's clean.

I preferred the effort with Lava, the piano and playing sounded great on both versions.

Re: A new mic emulation program has arrived--Lava

Exactly. "Subtle Differences" is what makes Music Evolve slowly from Mono to Stereo and beyond. That's why we are here for to give little by little improvement - either 0.4%, 0.9% or whatever towards unlimited perfection of real acoustic Grand Piano. Otherwise it's stagnant, walking on the spot, or remained as Pianoteq 1. My wish is that this Lava setting can be implemented in the future Pianoteq update "right out of the Box", because Pianoteq itself already has Great Build in Microphone. Particularly on Steinway model D.

Unfortunately many of Piano player doesn't know anything about programing, including myself. All we have just ears, and feeling "If it sounds good, then it's good". Even worse, in great number probably 70% roughly, we don't even know how to describe it. Some do, but sometimes doesn't make sense at all, because "Feeling" is always Weird in the 1st place. However, Music is still about Indescribable Feeling anyway.

As the Race World says:
Mechanics still need Race Driver to give feedback how the car "Feel" when they drive it on the street, but the Driver themself don't know anything about how to manufacture the car that took 20 or more years to get degree. Mechanics can drive the car, obviously, but they still need more 3rd ears cumulatively outside their shell to find those slight "Subtle Differences".

When these Two Individuals (Mechanics and Driver) working together, they successfully made the Car that can reach up to 270 mph or even more --- from it started 16mph or less.

YouTube page: Dulistan Heman

Re: A new mic emulation program has arrived--Lava

I really like the sound of Lava on Pianoteq. Thanks for bringing this to our attention!

Re: A new mic emulation program has arrived--Lava

Very warm and enveloping, with an oscillation that is very soft, like the miniscule waves that kiss the sand at the edge of a nearly still pond.  I like it!

- David

Re: A new mic emulation program has arrived--Lava

Just a heads-up: Acustica has added several new mics as sources and targets. Even if you are only experimenting with the demo program, it's worthwhile updating it.

I'm also planning on getting one of their compressor emulations, soon, and I want to try it on Pianoteq. I'll post the results, but I'm curious--has anyone else experimented with putting Pianoteq through any of the Acustica tools?