Topic: Can we get zone or note edit velocity curves?

I could see the yellow bars being slow-fast. Then the main velocity curve for overall.

Or zones. Perhaps user definable.

It might sound tedious, but once set up, you're done. And I don't think it'd be more tedious than any other per-note edit.

I still feel Pianoteq is too sensitive in the upper and lower registers relative to the middle, with every keyboard I've played. Even though that may be technically correct from a MIDI velocity standpoint, it doesn't feel like it's responding like a real piano. Per note velocity and dynamics help a little, but aren't an adequate substitute.

Re: Can we get zone or note edit velocity curves?

You can use a third party utility for this.  You insert the velocity curve utility between your midi controller and the Pianoteq app.  Not sure what various ones are out there.  Below is a link to a video of one, Springbeats VelPro app, which allows setting up per-note velocity curves:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFilILIcxgw

Last edited by hesitz (10-09-2022 01:28)

Re: Can we get zone or note edit velocity curves?

moshuajusic wrote:

I could see the yellow bars being slow-fast. Then the main velocity curve for overall.

Or zones. Perhaps user definable.

It might sound tedious, but once set up, you're done. And I don't think it'd be more tedious than any other per-note edit.

I still feel Pianoteq is too sensitive in the upper and lower registers relative to the middle, with every keyboard I've played. Even though that may be technically correct from a MIDI velocity standpoint, it doesn't feel like it's responding like a real piano. Per note velocity and dynamics help a little, but aren't an adequate substitute.

Agree. This is an aspect which is paramount for keyboard calibration. Some major keyboards like the SL88 and others offer their own editor which allows customizations per key, zone or whatever you want. Having that inside the Pianoteq software would eliminate the need of using a third party software or offer one for keyboards which don't have already one. All in all it's a win for everybody.

Last edited by Chopin87 (10-09-2022 12:19)
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Re: Can we get zone or note edit velocity curves?

I am a big fan of the Springbeats VelPro software.  I like it because I can set a curve for my keyboard, and then it applies across all VST software (Pianoteq, Native instruments VSTs, etc.).  Also, VelPro allows multiple contours that you can flip back and forth through, so it's easy to make flat profiles for organs, as well as more and less aggressive velocity profiles to suit your moods.  Lastly, using an outside velocity scaler is of benefit because it preserves whatever velocity profiles that people have 'baked into' their FXP settings for the various instruments, as velocity profiles can help give effects that are creative in addition to being functional.

This last point bears a little more explaining, as since PIanoteq 7.0 (I think), there are now TWO levels of velocity settings in Pianoteq.  One level is the preset-by-preset velocity curves, which can be 'frozen' across all presets (check the "snowflake" icon in the graphical user interface of Pianoteq, allowing you to 'freeze' different settings), or left 'floating' so that the curve may changes as per different preset files dictate - this has been the way that the velocity curve has functioned since the beginning of Pianoteq. 

The new function of the velocity curve is the "Global" velocity curve, which is a separate level of velocity curve that remains 'frozen' and separate from the regular floating velocity curves automatically once it is created.  It essentially does for Pianoteq what an external velocity editor does for all VSTs, adapting the keyboard outputs for your particular keyboard or preferred playing response style.  This second Global velocity setting is employed by clicking the grayed-out "G" button to the bottom-right of the velocity curve diagram to turn it on.

I hope that this explanation has been of help,

David

- David

Re: Can we get zone or note edit velocity curves?

Thanks for bringing Velpro to my attention. It'd be nice if Pianoteq could do it though. Drawing across all notes is more efficient than drawing curves for each note or even group of notes. Velpro would still be of use if the basic slow-fast curves weren't adequate (going by how I imagined Pianoteq could implement note-edit velocity).

Re: Can we get zone or note edit velocity curves?

A Midihub (an external hardware midi hub/router/filter with a software editor for Windows/MacOS/Linux) is a very handy and versatile device which allows one to specify ranges of notes (using the note-range filter in the editor) and send the specified ranges, each independently, through an "equalizer" that creates a velocity-curve (using the "velocity itself" parameter) for each range of MIDI notes. The Midihub includes many utilities for routing and changing/editing MIDI events of all kinds, and is very capable for many "special case," "edge" or "corner" issues or uses.

Midihub and other specialized hardware
https://blokas.io/

It seems that you might also be able to achieve what you want by using one of or a combination of the Main Equalizer (pre-effects equalizer), the effects equalizer, and the Note Edit panes for volume and/or dynamics.

Last edited by Stephen_Doonan (14-09-2022 15:20)
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