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Topic: which instrument and preset would most closely match this recording?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GS2Y_Ck...p;index=14

it is most certainly a Steinway (D or B?), but it sounds very soft - much softer than any of the presets i tried.
(note that he is having the left damper pedal pushed down all the time)

one preset that got relatively close was the steinway B gentle, but the higher notes all sound much louder than the bass/chord notes.
in the recording, the higher (melody) notes sound very soft too.

it might all be a question of velocity and subtle playing technique, but i am curious what this forum comes up with.

cheers :-)

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Re: which instrument and preset would most closely match this recording?

You won't get the consistent soft dynamics playing with a synth action. it's much harder attack because you can achieve maximum velocity easily. 

The glass is half empty:
If I play on my synth action keyboard the Steinway pianos vs playing on the graded hammer action (bottom of the range Casio model,  nothing fancy) then they may as well be a completely different instruments. No velocity curves can solve this.

The glass half full versionl:
It  can be used to produce different tonal qualities without even loading up different piano models together - a tonal free lunch!

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Re: which instrument and preset would most closely match this recording?

weightedKeys wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GS2Y_Ck...p;index=14

it is most certainly a Steinway (D or B?), but it sounds very soft - much softer than any of the presets i tried.
(note that he is having the left damper pedal pushed down all the time)

one preset that got relatively close was the steinway B gentle, but the higher notes all sound much louder than the bass/chord notes.
in the recording, the higher (melody) notes sound very soft too.

it might all be a question of velocity and subtle playing technique, but i am curious what this forum comes up with.

cheers :-)

Thank you for sharing this.  It really is beautiful!

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Re: which instrument and preset would most closely match this recording?

Please refer to the file I uploaded on FXP Corner. I've tried making it so that you can just play it without pressing the soft pedal, but I don't know how you'll feel.   It tried out with NY Steinway. When I saw the video, I think I heard a little sound effect.

https://forum.modartt.com/file/2vd2rwds

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Re: which instrument and preset would most closely match this recording?

sskuk1 wrote:

Please refer to the file I uploaded on FXP Corner. I've tried making it so that you can just play it without pressing the soft pedal, but I don't know how you'll feel.   It tried out with NY Steinway. When I saw the video, I think I heard a little sound effect.

https://forum.modartt.com/file/2vd2rwds

oh amazing! I will have a look once I am back home. thank you!!

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sskuk1 wrote:

Please refer to the file I uploaded on FXP Corner. I've tried making it so that you can just play it without pressing the soft pedal, but I don't know how you'll feel.   It tried out with NY Steinway. When I saw the video, I think I heard a little sound effect.

https://forum.modartt.com/file/2vd2rwds

interesting!
sounds really good, thank you

and you added an amp fx! makes sense
where did you do the adjustments to implement the soft pedal? i still think it needs the pedal to be pressed

thanks for your help, now i better learn playing that song :-)

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Re: which instrument and preset would most closely match this recording?

I'm switching beetween pianoteq, Native Instruments and VSL (upright and 280vc) ... the song you posted is very beautiful BUT the first piano that comes to my mind is NI's noire (sorry=) - not because it's "same same" but they have that effect where you can turn a special subwoofer on which gives a realistic and full sound.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-UuTagQLYc

just an impulse..

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Re: which instrument and preset would most closely match this recording?

weightedKeys wrote:

interesting!
sounds really good, thank you

and you added an amp fx! makes sense
where did you do the adjustments to implement the soft pedal? i still think it needs the pedal to be pressed

thanks for your help, now i better learn playing that song :-)

I'm glad you like it. The biggest factor that softened the tone is the adjustment of hammer hardness. Other parts have been fine-tuned in many parts as I feel.

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Re: which instrument and preset would most closely match this recording?

I was wondering what would be need to be able to create a tool, a incredible advanced automatic tool, that would allow pianoteq to analyze a clean piano record and find out what settings adjust parameters is required to get as close as possible to the piano sound used in the recording.

That would be an ultimate tool. And such task would be incredible complex and difficult to create & refine.

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