Topic: Tango #1 for Piano - Concert Tango

A reflective take on a concert tango, probably a bit more listenable than some of my more experimental pieces.... Any comments on the piano sound, mastering, anything really are most welcome!

Score: http://imslp.org/wiki/Category:Harringt...ey_Michael


https://soundcloud.com/jeff_harrington/...al_sharing

Last edited by jeff_harrington (05-06-2022 16:19)

Re: Tango #1 for Piano - Concert Tango

It sounds as something compressed and muffled. What preset did you use ? The pianoteq sound is "natural". It's an interesting piece.

With some good parameters, it could be a nice one. It needs dynamic, breathing and reverb too.

Last edited by Borealis (05-06-2022 17:46)

Re: Tango #1 for Piano - Concert Tango

Thanks for your frank comments, Borealis!  I've updated the file with a new version using  Steinway D Classical and no compression (or over keymap-tweaking muffling). 

https://soundcloud.com/jeff_harrington/...al_sharing

Re: Tango #1 for Piano - Concert Tango

It's better. Maybe, you want a sound, close like this ?

I just gave my feel . As concerns ears, a good sleep, I suppose.
You make some musical experiments, you might be interested in some pieces of "Pianoïd", by Edouard Ferlet. Just a thought...

Re: Tango #1 for Piano - Concert Tango

jeff_harrington wrote:

A reflective take on a concert tango, probably a bit more listenable than some of my more experimental pieces.... Any comments on the piano sound, mastering, anything really are most welcome!

Score: http://imslp.org/wiki/Category:Harringt...ey_Michael


https://soundcloud.com/jeff_harrington/...al_sharing

I like this piece !    Was checking the score/sheet, but it looks too difficult for me to play, you change different keys 4 times. This is not easy music to play for me, it’s the rhythm I've always had a problem with. I think it is easier for me to play Bach, the same ”rhythm” all the time 

Nothing wrong with the sound. We have different taste. It would be nice to try and change the sound if I had a midi file, though. Always like to experiment.
Thanks for sharing your music,

Best wishes,

Stig

Pianoteqenthusiast, Organteqenthusiast, Harpteqenthusiast, Harpsichordteqenthusiast and experimenter

Re: Tango #1 for Piano - Concert Tango

Cool... thanks.  It's meant to be a little pensive like a Chopin Mazurka to a real folk mazurka, if that makes any sense...

I'll definitely check out Pianoïd.

Borealis wrote:

It's better. Maybe, you want a sound, close like this ?

I just gave my feel . As concerns ears, a good sleep, I suppose.
You make some musical experiments, you might be interested in some pieces of "Pianoïd", by Edouard Ferlet. Just a thought...

Re: Tango #1 for Piano - Concert Tango

Thanks PE!  Yea, it's really hard.  Here's the midi:

http://parnasse.com/midi/tango_for_piano_no.1.mid

And all my MIDI files, piano preludes and more.

http://parnasse.com/midi/

Pianoteqenthusiast wrote:
jeff_harrington wrote:

A reflective take on a concert tango, probably a bit more listenable than some of my more experimental pieces.... Any comments on the piano sound, mastering, anything really are most welcome!

Score: http://imslp.org/wiki/Category:Harringt...ey_Michael


https://soundcloud.com/jeff_harrington/...al_sharing

I like this piece !    Was checking the score/sheet, but it looks too difficult for me to play, you change different keys 4 times. This is not easy music to play for me, it’s the rhythm I've always had a problem with. I think it is easier for me to play Bach, the same ”rhythm” all the time 

Nothing wrong with the sound. We have different taste. It would be nice to try and change the sound if I had a midi file, though. Always like to experiment.
Thanks for sharing your music,

Best wishes,

Stig

Pianoteqenthusiast, Organteqenthusiast, Harpteqenthusiast, Harpsichordteqenthusiast and experimenter

Re: Tango #1 for Piano - Concert Tango

I downloaded  your midifile and made some changes. I prefer a sound like this (more musicality for me). It's with the Bluethner (Studio Recording AB) :
https://forum.modartt.com/uploads.php?f...0Tango.mp3

Sorry if it isn't your taste.

Regards

Last edited by Borealis (06-06-2022 10:55)

Re: Tango #1 for Piano - Concert Tango

I love it! Really surprising, bouncy and full of life. Mind if I share it on SoundCloud?

Reminded me of what one of my composition teachers (Carter) said about somebody's surprising interpretation of one of his difficult pieces, "He revealed previously unheard possibilities in new types of interpretation."

I really appreciate your efforts to improve my admittedly mediocre beginner's approach.

Cheers!

Borealis wrote:

I downloaded  your midifile and made some changes. I prefer a sound like this (more musicality for me). It's with the Bluethner (Studio Recording AB) :
https://forum.modartt.com/uploads.php?f...0Tango.mp3

Sorry if it isn't your taste.

Regards

Re: Tango #1 for Piano - Concert Tango

Glad you liked it ! No problem for SC. Yes, interpretation is an important thing.

Cheers!

Re: Tango #1 for Piano - Concert Tango

Most Excellent!  It's up... I made the interpretation by Borealis.  If you'd like a different moniker, let me know.

Thanks again for your musical and technical insights!

https://soundcloud.com/jeff_harrington/...al_sharing



Borealis wrote:

Glad you liked it ! No problem for SC. Yes, interpretation is an important thing.

Cheers!

Last edited by jeff_harrington (06-06-2022 15:19)

Re: Tango #1 for Piano - Concert Tango

My ”reflective sound”

A ”reflective take” you said -  yes, I began to reflect on things when listening, look back at things that have been done, said ……  So I wanted a soft sound,    changing hammer hardness and many other things on Pianoteq Petrof Mistral. (My reflective sound
I decided to keep your tempo, although Borealis’s version  is a bit faster, that was very nice. (but the beginning is one octave higher than yours?)

Actually I found out that you have two versions, an older with beginning one octave higher (midi file) and an other version one octave lower in beginning - as your piece here in forum. (both on youtube) I chose to use the version you have here in forum with beginning an octave lower and the same tempo as yours.

Actually, my sound was born as a result of the mood I got when listening…..reflecting, thinking deeply and carefully about things….
Anyway, this was an experiment. Now I like this piece even more. Thanks so much for the midi file.  And all your midi files, piano preludes and more.
Very kind 
You may or may not like my piano sound but that's understandable. Our musical tastes are shaped by a number of external factors — exposure, peer and family influence, the activities we listen to music during — as well as internal preferences we have for rhythm, harmony, timbres, structure etc.

Thanks for sharing your music. The way I experience music is always evolving, thanks to you, budo and Borealis 

https://forum.modartt.com/uploads.php?f...201%20.mp3

Best wishes,

Stig

Pianoteqenthusiast, Organteqenthusiast, Harpteqenthusiast, Harpsichordteqenthusiast and experimenter


EDIT:  I always record with headphones so listening with hp will give the best result.

Last edited by Pianoteqenthusiast (07-06-2022 14:41)

Re: Tango #1 for Piano - Concert Tango

Oooh.. this is wonderful, soulful, bright!  Two versions, ugh, typical.  Can I share your beautiful, reflective interpretation on SoundCloud, too?

Knock yourself out on the MIDI's.  My most-performed piano piece, BlueStrider, is in dire need of a good recording (and a revised score, ugh). 

http://parnasse.com/midi/bs2.mid

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rfVu-f...nel=smalin

Although you might think it's a bit over the top. It was written to be a kind of blues Hammerklavier, lol... It was also one of the first widely-shared piano MIDI's.  In 1994 it was actually hosted on http://ircam.fr/midi/bs.mid lol.

Thanks again, Stig, this is really, really gorgeous.

Pianoteqenthusiast wrote:

My ”reflective sound”

A ”reflective take” you said -  yes, I began to reflect on things when listening, look back at things that have been done, said ……  So I wanted a soft sound,    changing hammer hardness and many other things on Pianoteq Petrof Mistral. (My reflective sound
I decided to keep your tempo, although Borealis’s version  is a bit faster, that was very nice. (but the beginning is one octave higher than yours?)

Actually I found out that you have two versions, an older with beginning one octave higher (midi file) and an other version one octave lower in beginning - as your piece here in forum. (both on youtube) I chose to use the version you have here in forum with beginning an octave lower and the same tempo as yours.

Actually, my sound was born as a result of the mood I got when listening…..reflecting, thinking deeply and carefully about things….
Anyway, this was an experiment. Now I like this piece even more. Thanks so much for the midi file.  And all your midi files, piano preludes and more.
Very kind 
You may or may not like my piano sound but that's understandable. Our musical tastes are shaped by a number of external factors — exposure, peer and family influence, the activities we listen to music during — as well as internal preferences we have for rhythm, harmony, timbres, structure etc.

Thanks for sharing your music. The way I experience music is always evolving, thanks to you, budo and Borealis 

https://forum.modartt.com/uploads.php?f...201%20.mp3

Best wishes,

Stig

Pianoteqenthusiast, Organteqenthusiast, Harpteqenthusiast, Harpsichordteqenthusiast and experimenter


EDIT:  I always record with headphones so listening with hp will give the best result.

Last edited by jeff_harrington (07-06-2022 15:37)

Re: Tango #1 for Piano - Concert Tango

jeff_harrington wrote:

Oooh.. this is wonderful, soulful, bright!  Two versions, ugh, typical.  Can I share your beautiful, reflective interpretation on SoundCloud, too?

Knock yourself out on the MIDI's.  My most-performed piano piece, BlueStrider, is in dire need of a good recording (and a revised score, ugh). 

http://parnasse.com/midi/bs2.mid

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rfVu-f...nel=smalin

Although you might think it's a bit over the top. It was written to be a kind of blues Hammerklavier, lol... It was also one of the first widely-shared piano MIDI's.  In 1994 it was actually hosted on http://ircam.fr/midi/bs.mid lol.

Thanks again, Stig, this is really, really gorgeous.

Pianoteqenthusiast wrote:

My ”reflective sound”

A ”reflective take” you said -  yes, I began to reflect on things when listening, look back at things that have been done, said ……  So I wanted a soft sound,    changing hammer hardness and many other things on Pianoteq Petrof Mistral. (My reflective sound
I decided to keep your tempo, although Borealis’s version  is a bit faster, that was very nice. (but the beginning is one octave higher than yours?)

Actually I found out that you have two versions, an older with beginning one octave higher (midi file) and an other version one octave lower in beginning - as your piece here in forum. (both on youtube) I chose to use the version you have here in forum with beginning an octave lower and the same tempo as yours.

Actually, my sound was born as a result of the mood I got when listening…..reflecting, thinking deeply and carefully about things….
Anyway, this was an experiment. Now I like this piece even more. Thanks so much for the midi file.  And all your midi files, piano preludes and more.
Very kind 
You may or may not like my piano sound but that's understandable. Our musical tastes are shaped by a number of external factors — exposure, peer and family influence, the activities we listen to music during — as well as internal preferences we have for rhythm, harmony, timbres, structure etc.

Thanks for sharing your music. The way I experience music is always evolving, thanks to you, budo and Borealis 

https://forum.modartt.com/uploads.php?f...201%20.mp3

Best wishes,

Stig

Pianoteqenthusiast, Organteqenthusiast, Harpteqenthusiast, Harpsichordteqenthusiast and experimenter


EDIT:  I always record with headphones so listening with hp will give the best result.


Hi again Jeffrey,

Of course you can share it. I feel humbled and honoured  Thank you.

BlueStrider - over the top, not at all. This is a unique wonderful example of the quality of being new and inventive, something that has never been done, never created, never thought of before, unusual, being good in a different and appealing way…Omg this is so good!!! Omg wow… you are a genius!
This is music in the most unique way I’ve heard. You always amaze me with your music and impressive output.

Thanks for the midifile. Now I try to be as I said above - being new and inventive, something that has never been done, never created, never thought of before, unusual, being good in a different and appealing way…

This will take time for sure - ”need of a good recording (and a revised score)” Well you nailed it as it is. Revised score - well, my revision might be some of this (or not) and the sound of course: key changes, instrumentation maybe several different one’s, rhythm, pitch…..

As arranger you “nailed it” on the first delivery, but changes you might want can be more than expected  Well, I take it as an experiment and hope you can accept it as such too

(Hosted 1994 . wow, at that time I was working with midi Roland U20 and recorded Paul Mc Cartney’s Pipes of peace with a Commodore 64! Got a sequenser (Score Track) to the diskdrive from Germany . Still have it and the piece as mp.3)

My best,

Stig

Last edited by Pianoteqenthusiast (07-06-2022 16:49)

Re: Tango #1 for Piano - Concert Tango

Super!  Headed out for some BBQ, cool!  Thanks... old Amiga guy here.  Deluxe Music Construction Set!

https://soundcloud.com/jeff_harrington/...al_sharing

Pianoteqenthusiast wrote:
jeff_harrington wrote:

Oooh.. this is wonderful, soulful, bright!  Two versions, ugh, typical.  Can I share your beautiful, reflective interpretation on SoundCloud, too?

Knock yourself out on the MIDI's.  My most-performed piano piece, BlueStrider, is in dire need of a good recording (and a revised score, ugh). 

http://parnasse.com/midi/bs2.mid

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rfVu-f...nel=smalin

Although you might think it's a bit over the top. It was written to be a kind of blues Hammerklavier, lol... It was also one of the first widely-shared piano MIDI's.  In 1994 it was actually hosted on http://ircam.fr/midi/bs.mid lol.

Thanks again, Stig, this is really, really gorgeous.

Pianoteqenthusiast wrote:

My ”reflective sound”

A ”reflective take” you said -  yes, I began to reflect on things when listening, look back at things that have been done, said ……  So I wanted a soft sound,    changing hammer hardness and many other things on Pianoteq Petrof Mistral. (My reflective sound
I decided to keep your tempo, although Borealis’s version  is a bit faster, that was very nice. (but the beginning is one octave higher than yours?)

Actually I found out that you have two versions, an older with beginning one octave higher (midi file) and an other version one octave lower in beginning - as your piece here in forum. (both on youtube) I chose to use the version you have here in forum with beginning an octave lower and the same tempo as yours.

Actually, my sound was born as a result of the mood I got when listening…..reflecting, thinking deeply and carefully about things….
Anyway, this was an experiment. Now I like this piece even more. Thanks so much for the midi file.  And all your midi files, piano preludes and more.
Very kind 
You may or may not like my piano sound but that's understandable. Our musical tastes are shaped by a number of external factors — exposure, peer and family influence, the activities we listen to music during — as well as internal preferences we have for rhythm, harmony, timbres, structure etc.

Thanks for sharing your music. The way I experience music is always evolving, thanks to you, budo and Borealis 

https://forum.modartt.com/uploads.php?f...201%20.mp3

Best wishes,

Stig

Pianoteqenthusiast, Organteqenthusiast, Harpteqenthusiast, Harpsichordteqenthusiast and experimenter


EDIT:  I always record with headphones so listening with hp will give the best result.


Hi again Jeffrey,

Of course you can share it. I feel humbled and honoured  Thank you.

BlueStrider - over the top, not at all. This is a unique wonderful example of the quality of being new and inventive, something that has never been done, never created, never thought of before, unusual, being good in a different and appealing way…Omg this is so good!!! Omg wow… you are a genius!
This is music in the most unique way I’ve heard. You always amaze me with your music and impressive output.

Thanks for the midifile. Now I try to be as I said above - being new and inventive, something that has never been done, never created, never thought of before, unusual, being good in a different and appealing way…

This will take time for sure - ”need of a good recording (and a revised score)” Well you nailed it as it is. Revised score - well, my revision might be some of this (or not) and the sound of course: key changes, instrumentation maybe several different one’s, rhythm, pitch…..

As arranger you “nailed it” on the first delivery, but changes you might want can be more than expected  Well, I take it as an experiment and hope you can accept it as such too

(Hosted 1994 . wow, at that time I was working with midi Roland U20 and recorded Paul Mc Cartney’s Pipes of peace with a Commodore 64! Got a sequenser to the diskdrive from Germany . Still have it and the piece as mp.3)

My best,

Stig

Last edited by jeff_harrington (07-06-2022 16:53)

Re: Tango #1 for Piano - Concert Tango

first, i really enjoyed this piece.  i think it would be great fun to improvise over it! lots of cool things happening.

second, it was great to see the collaboration in the forum, with new recordings being produced almost in real time.  i hope this kind of thing continues!

Re: Tango #1 for Piano - Concert Tango

jeff_harrington wrote:

Oooh.. this is wonderful, soulful, bright!  Two versions, ugh, typical.  Can I share your beautiful, reflective interpretation on SoundCloud, too?

Knock yourself out on the MIDI's.  My most-performed piano piece, BlueStrider, is in dire need of a good recording (and a revised score, ugh). 

http://parnasse.com/midi/bs2.mid

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rfVu-f...nel=smalin

Although you might think it's a bit over the top. It was written to be a kind of blues Hammerklavier, lol... It was also one of the first widely-shared piano MIDI's.  In 1994 it was actually hosted on http://ircam.fr/midi/bs.mid lol.

Thanks again, Stig, this is really, really gorgeous.

Pianoteqenthusiast wrote:

My ”reflective sound”

A ”reflective take” you said -  yes, I began to reflect on things when listening, look back at things that have been done, said ……  So I wanted a soft sound,    changing hammer hardness and many other things on Pianoteq Petrof Mistral. (My reflective sound
I decided to keep your tempo, although Borealis’s version  is a bit faster, that was very nice. (but the beginning is one octave higher than yours?)

Actually I found out that you have two versions, an older with beginning one octave higher (midi file) and an other version one octave lower in beginning - as your piece here in forum. (both on youtube) I chose to use the version you have here in forum with beginning an octave lower and the same tempo as yours.

Actually, my sound was born as a result of the mood I got when listening…..reflecting, thinking deeply and carefully about things….
Anyway, this was an experiment. Now I like this piece even more. Thanks so much for the midi file.  And all your midi files, piano preludes and more.
Very kind 
You may or may not like my piano sound but that's understandable. Our musical tastes are shaped by a number of external factors — exposure, peer and family influence, the activities we listen to music during — as well as internal preferences we have for rhythm, harmony, timbres, structure etc.

Thanks for sharing your music. The way I experience music is always evolving, thanks to you, budo and Borealis 

https://forum.modartt.com/uploads.php?f...201%20.mp3




Best wishes,

Stig

Pianoteqenthusiast, Organteqenthusiast, Harpteqenthusiast, Harpsichordteqenthusiast and experimenter


EDIT:  I always record with headphones so listening with hp will give the best result.

Blue Strider

My revised, modernized, up-to-date orchestration of Jeffrey Harrington’s wonderful piece BlueStrider  (  ”BlueStrider, is in dire need of a good recording (and a revised score,…  ” )

Welcome to pianoteqenthusiast’s soundworld 


I know I can feel slightly frightened/worried about my ability to achieve something good when revising an other composers piece.

Making the parts again? And what about the structure? Will the harmonic language be consistent? Will the tone colors used make sense? Will my orchestration mess up the piece? What about the new sounds, do they fit in with the rest of the piece, or will they stick out too much?

Well, I love to experiment and I took the risk and tried to make a video too, that fits the different sections, at least I myself love the sections with the explosions
Maybe this is something that has never been done, never created, never thought of before, unusual… but, I hope it is being good in a different and appealing way.

And thanks Jeff for these words,  ”Knock yourself out on the MIDI's.  My most-performed piano piece, BlueStrider, is in dire need of a good recording (and a revised score,…)    Gave me a gently push 

I have to record and listen with headphones so I suppose it sounds best for the listeners to use headphones too, although different headphones sounds different, as do loudspeakers.

https://youtu.be/4sJlv-RTHn4

EDIT,   I thought that this piece in any case needs its own thread, Blue Strider. The piece drowns here in about tango.

Best wishes,

Stig

Pianoteqenthusiast, Organteqenthusiast, Harpteqenthusiast, Harpsichordteqenthusiast and experimenter

Last edited by Pianoteqenthusiast (11-06-2022 14:41)