I just starting using the pianoteq stage, I am very happy so far. I prefer to use the model D that I chose. But I don't know a lot about the software, and which version out of them all is the best sounding piano.
also, with regard to the dynamics, which setting, number should it be on for the best sound.
I looked at the mallet bounce and the action and the effects and have no idea how to use them for a better sound. Please help. Thank you.
One step at a time!
Read the manual.
Optimise your velocity curve as per instructions.
I suggest you first find the presets you like the most first, then have a look at reverb and EQ settings.
Also play the free Pianoteq KIVIR instruments too.
Yes pianoteq is fantastic.
First adjust the velocity curve, it is essential, it can be a long work but it is the most important on my opinion. I don't know what is your controler but you can find the good curve on the forum.
For piano realism I think player presets or binaural presets are good. Try and try other instruments you don't own, the limitation is not an obstacle to try them, play in C and after hours you will find the best for you.
One step at a time!
Read the manual.
Optimise your velocity curve as per instructions.I suggest you first find the presets you like the most first, then have a look at reverb and EQ settings.
Also play the free Pianoteq KIVIR instruments too.
When you say velocity curve, what does is actually do? I press the eq3 buttons and nothing happens, that might be because I have the stage version. When you talk about presets I like the most, what exactly are you. referring to, is it the dynamics part below the volume?
I just need the best sound for piano recording. thank you.
Yes pianoteq is fantastic.
First adjust the velocity curve, it is essential, it can be a long work but it is the most important on my opinion. I don't know what is your controler but you can find the good curve on the forum.
For piano realism I think player presets or binaural presets are good. Try and try other instruments you don't own, the limitation is not an obstacle to try them, play in C and after hours you will find the best for you.
According to what do you adjust the velocity curve, what does it do also? Where can I find a good curve on the forum? When you say my controller, what do you mean, I own the stage version. thank you.
According to what do you adjust the velocity curve, what does it do also? Where can I find a good curve on the forum? When you say my controller, what do you mean, I own the stage version. thank you.
https://www.modartt.com/velocity_curves
As controller I Mean midi keyboard.
JamesAvA wrote:According to what do you adjust the velocity curve, what does it do also? Where can I find a good curve on the forum? When you say my controller, what do you mean, I own the stage version. thank you.
https://www.modartt.com/velocity_curves
As controller I Mean midi keyboard.
Thanks. I'm not sure what those numbers mean. I couldn't find one for the pianoteq steinway model D.
YvesTh wrote:JamesAvA wrote:According to what do you adjust the velocity curve, what does it do also? Where can I find a good curve on the forum? When you say my controller, what do you mean, I own the stage version. thank you.
https://www.modartt.com/velocity_curves
As controller I Mean midi keyboard.Thanks. I'm not sure what those numbers mean. I couldn't find one for the pianoteq steinway model D.
These numbers (velocity curves) are for the midi keyboard linked to your computer, not the modeled instrument. What midi keyboard do you used for playing pianoteq ?
JamesAvA wrote:YvesTh wrote:https://www.modartt.com/velocity_curves
As controller I Mean midi keyboard.Thanks. I'm not sure what those numbers mean. I couldn't find one for the pianoteq steinway model D.
These numbers (velocity curves) are for the midi keyboard linked to your computer, not the modeled instrument. What midi keyboard do you used for playing pianoteq ?
Hi there, I use a Roland RD-300NX.
YvesTh wrote:JamesAvA wrote:Thanks. I'm not sure what those numbers mean. I couldn't find one for the pianoteq steinway model D.
These numbers (velocity curves) are for the midi keyboard linked to your computer, not the modeled instrument. What midi keyboard do you used for playing pianoteq ?
Hi there, I use a Roland RD-300NX.
Your keyboard is not in the velocity list but I advise you to try the different standard velocity curve presets from slow keyboard to fast keyboard and see which one you feel most comfortable with. Then you can adjust the better curve with your mouse to obtain the best sensation of playing.
JamesAvA wrote:YvesTh wrote:These numbers (velocity curves) are for the midi keyboard linked to your computer, not the modeled instrument. What midi keyboard do you used for playing pianoteq ?
Hi there, I use a Roland RD-300NX.
Your keyboard is not in the velocity list but I advise you to try the different standard velocity curve presets from slow keyboard to fast keyboard and see which one you feel most comfortable with. Then you can adjust the better curve with your mouse to obtain the best sensation of playing.
Ok thanks for the help. My question is how do you try the different standard velocity curve presets?
YvesTh wrote:JamesAvA wrote:Hi there, I use a Roland RD-300NX.
Your keyboard is not in the velocity list but I advise you to try the different standard velocity curve presets from slow keyboard to fast keyboard and see which one you feel most comfortable with. Then you can adjust the better curve with your mouse to obtain the best sensation of playing.
Ok thanks for the help. My question is how do you try the different standard velocity curve presets?
A right clic on the "Velocity panel" and you select the preset you want, the curve will change in the panel, and the sensation of playing.
JamesAvA wrote:YvesTh wrote:Your keyboard is not in the velocity list but I advise you to try the different standard velocity curve presets from slow keyboard to fast keyboard and see which one you feel most comfortable with. Then you can adjust the better curve with your mouse to obtain the best sensation of playing.
Ok thanks for the help. My question is how do you try the different standard velocity curve presets?
A right clic on the "Velocity panel" and you select the preset you want, the curve will change in the panel, and the sensation of playing.
Thanks again. Just one more question. What does changing the preset on the velocity panel, do to the actual sound?
YvesTh wrote:JamesAvA wrote:Ok thanks for the help. My question is how do you try the different standard velocity curve presets?
A right clic on the "Velocity panel" and you select the preset you want, the curve will change in the panel, and the sensation of playing.
Thanks again. Just one more question. What does changing the preset on the velocity panel, do to the actual sound?
For the same keystroke force on a key the slow keyboard curve will increase the velocity of pianoteq, the fast keyboard will decrease it. This makes it possible to get as close as possible to the feeling of a real piano. Because midi keyboards, depending on their design, can have very different internal velocities. The curve compensates for these differences. You can move points on the curve for a more precise adjustment.
Try to play the same note with the same force while changing the curve. You will hear the difference.
JamesAvA wrote:YvesTh wrote:A right clic on the "Velocity panel" and you select the preset you want, the curve will change in the panel, and the sensation of playing.
Thanks again. Just one more question. What does changing the preset on the velocity panel, do to the actual sound?
For the same keystroke force on a key the slow keyboard curve will increase the velocity of pianoteq, the fast keyboard will decrease it. This makes it possible to get as close as possible to the feeling of a real piano. Because midi keyboards, depending on their design, can have very different internal velocities. The curve compensates for these differences. You can move points on the curve for a more precise adjustment.
Try to play the same note with the same force while changing the curve. You will hear the difference.
Thanks once more. I will look into it later as I have some jobs to take care for now. Can you recommend the best best preset for sounding more accurate as a steinway piano and also for the best sound?
YvesTh wrote:JamesAvA wrote:Thanks again. Just one more question. What does changing the preset on the velocity panel, do to the actual sound?
For the same keystroke force on a key the slow keyboard curve will increase the velocity of pianoteq, the fast keyboard will decrease it. This makes it possible to get as close as possible to the feeling of a real piano. Because midi keyboards, depending on their design, can have very different internal velocities. The curve compensates for these differences. You can move points on the curve for a more precise adjustment.
Try to play the same note with the same force while changing the curve. You will hear the difference.Thanks once more. I will look into it later as I have some jobs to take care for now. Can you recommend the best best preset for sounding more accurate as a steinway piano and also for the best sound?
The best preset does not depend on the pianoteq instrument you are playing but only on your keyboard. When you'll find the good preset it will be good for all pianoteq pianos. For my roland fp-10 I use a curve between "normal keyboard" and "moderately slow keyboard" but it works for my keyboard, not for all keyboard...
YvesTh wrote:JamesAvA wrote:Thanks again. Just one more question. What does changing the preset on the velocity panel, do to the actual sound?
For the same keystroke force on a key the slow keyboard curve will increase the velocity of pianoteq, the fast keyboard will decrease it. This makes it possible to get as close as possible to the feeling of a real piano. Because midi keyboards, depending on their design, can have very different internal velocities. The curve compensates for these differences. You can move points on the curve for a more precise adjustment.
Try to play the same note with the same force while changing the curve. You will hear the difference.Thanks once more. I will look into it later as I have some jobs to take care for now. Can you recommend the best best preset for sounding more accurate as a steinway piano and also for the best sound?
If I understand what you are asking, the presets titled either "NY Steinway Model D" or "HB Steinway Model D" are the reference presets, in other words the sound you hear if you walked into a Steinway showroom. All of the others provide a certain character to the sound that may like for a particular situation or as a matter of taste.
When using Stage I suggest downloading and trying the Standard version demo.
In that version you can see the microphone positioning for each preset.
Some presets are set up from the players position, as seated at the keys. Other presets are set up away from the piano from the audience listeners position. Some further out in the hall/audience, some very close to the piano. Some are a blend of both close up microphones (near the strings) and ambient microphones.
JamesAvA wrote:YvesTh wrote:For the same keystroke force on a key the slow keyboard curve will increase the velocity of pianoteq, the fast keyboard will decrease it. This makes it possible to get as close as possible to the feeling of a real piano. Because midi keyboards, depending on their design, can have very different internal velocities. The curve compensates for these differences. You can move points on the curve for a more precise adjustment.
Try to play the same note with the same force while changing the curve. You will hear the difference.Thanks once more. I will look into it later as I have some jobs to take care for now. Can you recommend the best best preset for sounding more accurate as a steinway piano and also for the best sound?
If I understand what you are asking, the presets titled either "NY Steinway Model D" or "HB Steinway Model D" are the reference presets, in other words the sound you hear if you walked into a Steinway showroom. All of the others provide a certain character to the sound that may like for a particular situation or as a matter of taste.
Thanks for the help. each one has a list of different sounds in a list for instance, jazz classical blues etc, so I am thinking the real version of it, being closest to the actual sound would be HP STEINWAY Model D .
wonner wrote:JamesAvA wrote:Thanks once more. I will look into it later as I have some jobs to take care for now. Can you recommend the best best preset for sounding more accurate as a steinway piano and also for the best sound?
If I understand what you are asking, the presets titled either "NY Steinway Model D" or "HB Steinway Model D" are the reference presets, in other words the sound you hear if you walked into a Steinway showroom. All of the others provide a certain character to the sound that may like for a particular situation or as a matter of taste.
Thanks for the help. each one has a list of different sounds in a list for instance, jazz classical blues etc, so I am thinking the real version of it, being closest to the actual sound would be HP STEINWAY Model D .
Yes, but just to be clear, the Steinway D includes two versions, HB Steinway Model D was modeled on a Hamburg Steinway D, and NY Steinway Mode D was modeled on a New York Steinway D. They are two separate and distinct painos that you will have to try and see if you prefer one over the other. They are each what I would call the reference models, being the truest representation of those respective pianos. All other presets included are simply to create different characteristics, listening positions, or stylistic variations.
JamesAvA wrote:wonner wrote:If I understand what you are asking, the presets titled either "NY Steinway Model D" or "HB Steinway Model D" are the reference presets, in other words the sound you hear if you walked into a Steinway showroom. All of the others provide a certain character to the sound that may like for a particular situation or as a matter of taste.
Thanks for the help. each one has a list of different sounds in a list for instance, jazz classical blues etc, so I am thinking the real version of it, being closest to the actual sound would be HP STEINWAY Model D .
Yes, but just to be clear, the Steinway D includes two versions, HB Steinway Model D was modeled on a Hamburg Steinway D, and NY Steinway Mode D was modeled on a New York Steinway D. They are two separate and distinct painos that you will have to try and see if you prefer one over the other. They are each what I would call the reference models, being the truest representation of those respective pianos. All other presets included are simply to create different characteristics, listening positions, or stylistic variations.
Thanks for the help, once again. another thing, when it talks about the dynamics, right below the volume, I play around with it, but am uncertain as to which is the best sound and also which setting is the most accurate sound for the steinway
Another question I have, is that when I press the pedal for delay, and I only have one pedal for delay on my keyboard, there is too much delay and the notes are too blurred together, and you can't really capture the sound. Any pointers? Thanks!
Another question I have, is that when I press the pedal for delay, and I only have one pedal for delay on my keyboard, there is too much delay and the notes are too blurred together, and you can't really capture the sound. Any pointers? Thanks!
Just to clear it up, this doesn't happen always, but only when I am playing octaves in the bass clef with my left hand, I play one note, but I don't play the octaves together, but one after the other, starting with the lowest octave followed by the next octave, higher and closer to the middle C. When I do this, it is all so blurred, whereas before on my keyboard, it wasn't doing this.
That sounds like you may want to be half-pedalling in those types of passages.
It's possible your pedal doesn't allow to emulate it well. (not sure what pedal you use, but it might be only an on/off switch? instead of a graduated type allowing readings from theoretically 0 to 127 back to 0 as you depress and release it.)
If I only want a blush of sustain, by pressing the pedal only slightly down, then releasing it quickly, that can paint in a lot of character between staccato notes without maximally sustaining notes which can bloom too much into the following notes. It's part of the benefit of how real grand pianos and Pianoteq work well for pianists - but may require a pedal which can facilitate this.
Your pedal may be capable though, so also, take a look at the small box on the main Pianoteq interface (velocity pane) and click on the arrows to reveal the 'sustain pedal' pane.. perhaps you can change the line there, so you might be able to make your pedal behaviour suit better how you use it. For some pieces I like a steep line (closer to on/off) and sometimes a more gradual curve across with a high jump up nearer the end.. and all kinds of shapes in between. You can become accustomed to this with a little time experimenting.
Like IRL, every piano will be different to any others when we sit at them.. and you may want to play a piano a while before a recital for example.. to adjust how you'd compensate your playing to suit the way the piano reacts. Pianoteq gives us the choice to alter any piano to be like any we'd dream of - and save our presets, so we don't have to do the same again once satisfied
Also, you could go into the 'Action' (button on lower right pane) settings 'Damper duration' and maybe also 'Damper position' and alter those damper sliders, to make dampers a little more efficient, or looser.
An abrupt pedal with strong dampers can be great for staccato, but with looser dampers less pedalling may be desired (as you may hear enough of every lingering last note - no extra sustain bloom may be needed to gain the effect you wish from your performance). Balancing these kinds of things is ideal for ending up with a fav piano or piano types for certain repertoires.
Always with a nice piano IRL, it might be wanting a technician to free up dampers, or make them more abrupt.. maybe that's the best other way to alter how your pedal reacts in Pianoteq.. and hopefully either of these things can make your piano sing better for your piece and playing.
Hope this helps James.
That sounds like you may want to be half-pedalling in those types of passages.
It's possible your pedal doesn't allow to emulate it well. (not sure what pedal you use, but it might be only an on/off switch? instead of a graduated type allowing readings from theoretically 0 to 127 back to 0 as you depress and release it.)
If I only want a blush of sustain, by pressing the pedal only slightly down, then releasing it quickly, that can paint in a lot of character between staccato notes without maximally sustaining notes which can bloom too much into the following notes. It's part of the benefit of how real grand pianos and Pianoteq work well for pianists - but may require a pedal which can facilitate this.
Your pedal may be capable though, so also, take a look at the small box on the main Pianoteq interface (velocity pane) and click on the arrows to reveal the 'sustain pedal' pane.. perhaps you can change the line there, so you might be able to make your pedal behaviour suit better how you use it. For some pieces I like a steep line (closer to on/off) and sometimes a more gradual curve across with a high jump up nearer the end.. and all kinds of shapes in between. You can become accustomed to this with a little time experimenting.
Like IRL, every piano will be different to any others when we sit at them.. and you may want to play a piano a while before a recital for example.. to adjust how you'd compensate your playing to suit the way the piano reacts. Pianoteq gives us the choice to alter any piano to be like any we'd dream of - and save our presets, so we don't have to do the same again once satisfied
Also, you could go into the 'Action' (button on lower right pane) settings 'Damper duration' and maybe also 'Damper position' and alter those damper sliders, to make dampers a little more efficient, or looser.
An abrupt pedal with strong dampers can be great for staccato, but with looser dampers less pedalling may be desired (as you may hear enough of every lingering last note - no extra sustain bloom may be needed to gain the effect you wish from your performance). Balancing these kinds of things is ideal for ending up with a fav piano or piano types for certain repertoires.
Always with a nice piano IRL, it might be wanting a technician to free up dampers, or make them more abrupt.. maybe that's the best other way to alter how your pedal reacts in Pianoteq.. and hopefully either of these things can make your piano sing better for your piece and playing.
Hope this helps James.
Thanks for the help man. Sorry for the late reply, I was abroad in Greece playing music. The pedal I have is just a normal pedal, I think, it came with the Roland keyboard.
When you say half-pedal, do you mean lightly pressing down on the pedal? thanks bro!
Yes, pretty much that..
If you post the model of Roland pedal you have, or searched it online, it should be easy to find out if it's capable of graduated response, or just on/off.
If the pedal has more than just on/off, Pianoteq works amazingly well with those extra levels available to you between 0-127 and you can also set a curve for your pedal, so it feels more gradual or fast to max out (lower left 'velocity curve' box, small arrows to scroll to sustain pedal setting). Just touching the pedal a little, you can kind of lift the felt without fully sounding the strings.. I'm not perfect but love this kind of subtle thing. After time, I no longer play as much with fully depressed pedal.
I used early dpianos before getting to know real pianos, and had not much experience with how much variance was possible.. on/off was OK and I thought with reverb filling in, it was normal at least in modern music making during my early days.
But, should say that if you're happy with your pedal, maybe try altering "Action"/"Damper efficiency" or "Damper position" too.. efficiency will offer some different shorter amounts of 'after felt' string sounds, position will alter the tones of those to abate it some if wanted. Not sure exactly what's going on in the code, but it feels real to me.
Hope Greece was a great experience for you
Yes, pretty much that..
If you post the model of Roland pedal you have, or searched it online, it should be easy to find out if it's capable of graduated response, or just on/off.
If the pedal has more than just on/off, Pianoteq works amazingly well with those extra levels available to you between 0-127 and you can also set a curve for your pedal, so it feels more gradual or fast to max out (lower left 'velocity curve' box, small arrows to scroll to sustain pedal setting). Just touching the pedal a little, you can kind of lift the felt without fully sounding the strings.. I'm not perfect but love this kind of subtle thing. After time, I no longer play as much with fully depressed pedal.
I used early dpianos before getting to know real pianos, and had not much experience with how much variance was possible.. on/off was OK and I thought with reverb filling in, it was normal at least in modern music making during my early days.
But, should say that if you're happy with your pedal, maybe try altering "Action"/"Damper efficiency" or "Damper position" too.. efficiency will offer some different shorter amounts of 'after felt' string sounds, position will alter the tones of those to abate it some if wanted. Not sure exactly what's going on in the code, but it feels real to me.
Hope Greece was a great experience for you
Thanks for the help man. I'll look into it. Greece was beautiful!