Topic: Standard vs Pro

Please pardon my naivety and ignorance. I am new to Pianoteq and looking to purchase a product. I am not sure I truly understand the nuances between the standard and pro versions. I've looked at the matrix and to my knowledge I don't think I will need note-per-note edit or overtone edit, nor do I anticipate a need for 192 khz sampling. It appears there are no financial penalties for upgrading from standard to pro later, should I need to do so. But then, like I said, I don't know what I don't know. Input please, in layman's terms, of why I should buy the pro version outright rather than taking a stepped approach. Are there are other factors I'm not seeing that says, "Just order the pro version now?" It is only $150 delta but that could mean a net increase of one piano pack if I go with the standard version.

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I would recommend the stepped approach. You will be able to do a lot with the Standard version (and I do mean a lot!), and as you say, you can always upgrade to Pro at a later date, if you feel the need for it. The main difference between Standard and Pro, apart from the 192kHz facility (which I don't think very many people use except for pro music producers), is the per-note editing feature. If you get seriously into tweaking piano models you may eventually feel the benefit of this. But while you're on the Pianoteq learning curve you will find plenty of mileage in Standard!

For the record, one of the things that attracted me to Pianoteq in the first place was the advanced tuning capability, which is available in Standard.

Re: Standard vs Pro

Tom Maxwell wrote:

Please pardon my naivety and ignorance. I am new to Pianoteq and looking to purchase a product. I am not sure I truly understand the nuances between the standard and pro versions. I've looked at the matrix and to my knowledge I don't think I will need note-per-note edit or overtone edit, nor do I anticipate a need for 192 khz sampling. It appears there are no financial penalties for upgrading from standard to pro later, should I need to do so. But then, like I said, I don't know what I don't know. Input please, in layman's terms, of why I should buy the pro version outright rather than taking a stepped approach. Are there are other factors I'm not seeing that says, "Just order the pro version now?" It is only $150 delta but that could mean a net increase of one piano pack if I go with the standard version.

I would encourage absolute beginners to actually buy Stage!
You can manipulate the sound a lot in Stage, but Standard now has significant benefits in layering, morphing and microphone positioning, along with other mechanical properties of the pianos, and other instruments.
If you're a seasoned pianist or somebody who really likes tinkering buy Standard, if you are just starting out and want the best piano starter pack out there get Stage.

Pro I suggest will only benefit those who are really hardcore piano modelling enthusiasts and computer enthusiasts but also synth geeks, or piano tuners, or simply professional musicians who wish to tune the sound on each and every key to the nth degree.
As I say you can already change the sound a great deal in Stage, and substantially more in standard.
Alternatively if you like absolutely all the instruments and are well heeled just go for the package with all the instruments and Pro and be done with it. You'll know that way you'll have the best of all of it, even if you're not going to use it all. If you definitely wanted all the instruments it would be the best value.

All three versions sound exactly the same on the presets. The versions have nothing whatsoever to do with quality.

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Key Fumbler wrote:

All three versions sound exactly the same on the presets. The versions have nothing whatsoever to do with quality.

Only the Pro version gives you sample rates above 44.1khz, but I'm not sure how much difference that makes.  You'll probably need high-end audio gear and good ears to hear the difference.

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Lycomedes wrote:
Key Fumbler wrote:

All three versions sound exactly the same on the presets. The versions have nothing whatsoever to do with quality.

Only the Pro version gives you sample rates above 44.1khz, but I'm not sure how much difference that makes.  You'll probably need high-end audio gear and good ears to hear the difference.

48kHz actually.

Pianoteq isn't an instrument that users hear aliasing issues from. Benefits above 44.1, let alone 48kHz  are dubious.

Re: Standard vs Pro

Key Fumbler wrote:
Lycomedes wrote:
Key Fumbler wrote:

All three versions sound exactly the same on the presets. The versions have nothing whatsoever to do with quality.

Only the Pro version gives you sample rates above 44.1khz, but I'm not sure how much difference that makes.  You'll probably need high-end audio gear and good ears to hear the difference.

48kHz actually.

Hmm, I have Standard.  Running Pianoteq through Reaper, 44 was the highest I could select in Pianoteq, probably because of the Reaper settings.  Running Pianoteq standalone, I can select 44, 48, 88, 96, 172, 192.  Isn't that supposed to be Pro only?

Re: Standard vs Pro

Lycomedes wrote:
Key Fumbler wrote:
Lycomedes wrote:

Only the Pro version gives you sample rates above 44.1khz, but I'm not sure how much difference that makes.  You'll probably need high-end audio gear and good ears to hear the difference.

48kHz actually.

Hmm, I have Standard.  Running Pianoteq through Reaper, 44 was the highest I could select in Pianoteq, probably because of the Reaper settings.  Running Pianoteq standalone, I can select 44, 48, 88, 96, 172, 192.  Isn't that supposed to be Pro only?

I think those sample rates may be for the output of your audio interface rather than the internal sample rate of Pianoteq.

Re: Standard vs Pro

dazric wrote:
Lycomedes wrote:
Key Fumbler wrote:

48kHz actually.

Hmm, I have Standard.  Running Pianoteq through Reaper, 44 was the highest I could select in Pianoteq, probably because of the Reaper settings.  Running Pianoteq standalone, I can select 44, 48, 88, 96, 172, 192.  Isn't that supposed to be Pro only?

I think those sample rates may be for the output of your audio interface rather than the internal sample rate of Pianoteq.

Gotcha.  Now I see there are two sample rate settings, in separate tabs of the options window.  The internal sample rate setting can't exceed the device sample rate setting, and indeed it can't exceed 48kHz regardless.

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my advice is to start with Standard.  there's tons of functionality and you'll be able to get the job done.  i certainly haven't exhausted its possibilities and i've had the software for a few years now.  you can always upgrade to Pro later if you want.  i also wouldn't base the decision on the number of instrument packs included.  over time i just ended up getting most of the acoustic pianos as add-ons ... i couldn't resist!

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budo wrote:

my advice is to start with Standard.  there's tons of functionality and you'll be able to get the job done.  i certainly haven't exhausted its possibilities and i've had the software for a few years now.  you can always upgrade to Pro later if you want.  i also wouldn't base the decision on the number of instrument packs included.  over time i just ended up getting most of the acoustic pianos as add-ons ... i couldn't resist!

Funny you say that. I am sure everyone goes through this but I have spent endless hours listening and playing with presets and trying to find the "best" pianos to fill the 3 or 4 included packs. I suspect a lot of people will end up owning them all after a while. They all sound really good to me and I keep thinking this one, no that one, oh that one sounds good too. So far I think for me the givens will be Steinway D, The U4, and perhaps the YC5. Then I will probably add either the Bechstein, Bluthner, or Petrof.  But then again, I like the Steinway B and the .....

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Thanks everyone for your input. My head says, "Just buy it all," but my gut says, "Not so fast."  Thanks for injecting a dose of reality. I think I'll go with the standard version for now. This is probably a loaded and newbie question that has been answered many times before but which piano do you find yourselves gravitating to the most? Do you have a favorite?

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Steinway B, Petrof and Steingraeber. Nice warm and clear tones.

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Weirdly enough I don't really have a true favourite anymore, I like to try the same stuff on different pianos and then choose which one gives the best result to my ears. That's why even suggesting one becomes difficult to me. How do I know what type of sound a person likes in a piano and then make suggestions? It's a dilemma but at the same time it doesn't really need to be. When I started there was only the D4 and the Bluthner and each piano added to the now huge Pianoteq ecosystem represented a little galaxy of its own. Granted I bought them all, but purchasing them at a different time has given me the possibility to appreciate each of the models more. So I think there are also very good reasons for starting with Standard and a selection of pianos instead of gobbling up everything in one scoop.

Last edited by Chopin87 (08-05-2022 09:32)
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Newbie here. After OCD'ing with the @#$% demo for about a month, trying to pick which 3 or 4 packs I would get, I went for broke and got the whole shabang. So now I'm broke.

As for favorite pianos, I keep coming back to the Bluethner Model One because it's sonically closest to the sound of my Yamaha CP33 (but with added realism). And it is nice to have all the pianos at my disposal for playing and to have options come mix time in my DAW.

I had compared Pianoteq to TruePianos and NI's Grandeur before pulling the trigger, and now I'm looking to resell the other two!

I'm glad to be here, and still can't believe how much Pianoteq feels like a real piano. There's some serious magic under the hood.

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Re: Standard vs Pro

Tom Maxwell wrote:
budo wrote:

my advice is to start with Standard.  there's tons of functionality and you'll be able to get the job done.  i certainly haven't exhausted its possibilities and i've had the software for a few years now.  you can always upgrade to Pro later if you want.  i also wouldn't base the decision on the number of instrument packs included.  over time i just ended up getting most of the acoustic pianos as add-ons ... i couldn't resist!

Funny you say that. I am sure everyone goes through this but I have spent endless hours listening and playing with presets and trying to find the "best" pianos to fill the 3 or 4 included packs. I suspect a lot of people will end up owning them all after a while. They all sound really good to me and I keep thinking this one, no that one, oh that one sounds good too. So far I think for me the givens will be Steinway D, The U4, and perhaps the YC5. Then I will probably add either the Bechstein, Bluthner, or Petrof.  But then again, I like the Steinway B and the .....

Haha, that reminds me of myself when I first discovered Pianoteq! I took the slow and steady approach, starting with Stage, very soon wanting to upgrade to Standard, being tempted by new piano models as they were released... Well, eventually I ended up with Pro and all the pianos . Bear in mind that Modartt do sometimes run offers on upgrades and instrument packs, but it's not easy to predict what will be on offer and when. As for 'what instrument shall I choose?', I'd say just carry on playing the demos and then go with your instincts. All the instruments are good in their way, it's really a matter of personal taste.

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Steingraeber Warm, Grotrian Concert Royal, Grotrian Intimate, HB Steinway D Classical.

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Lycomedes wrote:

Steingraeber Warm, Grotrian Concert Royal, Grotrian Intimate, HB Steinway D Classical.

And the Blüthner for those subdued mids. Quite unique still.

Pianoteq Pro Studio with Bösendorfer, Shigeru Kawai and Organteq

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True.

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dazric wrote:

Haha, that reminds me of myself when I first discovered Pianoteq! I took the slow and steady approach, starting with Stage, very soon wanting to upgrade to Standard, being tempted by new piano models as they were released... Well, eventually I ended up with Pro and all the pianos .

Haha, me too.... except that I haven't gone with Pro yet.

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Modartt is very generous in that there are no cost penalties if you want to upgrade from Stage and Standard to a higher tier.

i have Stage now but will probably upgrade to Standard in the future for microtonal music.
i'm waiting for a summer sale. 

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Re: Standard vs Pro

moontan wrote:

Modartt is very generous in that there are no cost penalties if you want to upgrade from Stage and Standard to a higher tier.

i have Stage now but will probably upgrade to Standard in the future for microtonal music.
i'm waiting for a summer sale. 

Same here, I have Stage, and I am thinking I will upgrade to Standard in a few months. Specially for the multi-microphones thing with 5.1 output.

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Jeremie wrote:
moontan wrote:

Modartt is very generous in that there are no cost penalties if you want to upgrade from Stage and Standard to a higher tier.

i have Stage now but will probably upgrade to Standard in the future for microtonal music.
i'm waiting for a summer sale. 

Same here, I have Stage, and I am thinking I will upgrade to Standard in a few months. Specially for the multi-microphones thing with 5.1 output.

Don’t hesitate. Standard is fully worth it. (Pro as well, of course.)

Pianoteq Pro Studio with Bösendorfer, Shigeru Kawai and Organteq