Topic: Same Pianos - Different Sound

Using earphones, I watched the first 5 minutes or so of the YouTube video titled “Pianoteq 7 - The Different Modartt Pianos and Presets - Audio Examples” at

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2dVGeJOywY

The video states that no mods were made to the Pianoteq 7 settings.

Yet when I listen with the same earphones to the same Pteq7 Modartt pianos playing the exact same piece independent of the video (just using Pteq7 run through Logic Pro), the sound in the earphones is far less “present” or “close”.

Why is that so?

Re: Same Pianos - Different Sound

YouTube has additional audio processing, they normalize all audio to -14 LUFs, which means that some compression, normalization, and dither is applied to any upload.  It's further possible that in preparing the video, the author may have applied some minor sound editing/fx that technically wouldn't have "modified PTQ settings" while still changing the audio very slightly.  That said, I strongly suspect any difference will be due to YouTube sound processing (and perhaps even the volume of the youtube video).  Even the sample rate between PTQ, the VST host, and YouTube can vary which will color or change the sound.

I personally have a hard time with getting PTQ sound mastered for YouTube, as orchestral/symphonic pieces that have a lot of dynamic range get very little change from YouTube's normalization and sound processing, where -14 or -15 LUFs is easy to target and basically occurs "out of the box" while a piano solo (and even worse with a harpsichord solo) comes off as twice or thrice as loud as it should because YouTube's normalization/compression colors the audio too much.  Typically, I've had the best success by adding a voice into or outro to my PTQ demos for YouTube, because that adds enough dynamic range to the mix that the normalization doesn't go as wild as it can with a simple, quiet piano piece.  So, again, my guess is that YouTube is "interfering" with the demo, which prevents it from being exactly what PTQ rendered, and if you got a hold of the original source file for the video, they would likely sound identical.

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Re: Same Pianos - Different Sound

Some presets were also revoiced and normalized volume wise in version 7.5 as you can see in the changelog.The video should be of a previous version I think.

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Re: Same Pianos - Different Sound

sf_hombre wrote:

Using earphones, I watched the first 5 minutes or so of the YouTube video titled “Pianoteq 7 - The Different Modartt Pianos and Presets - Audio Examples” at

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2dVGeJOywY

The video states that no mods were made to the Pianoteq 7 settings.

Yet when I listen with the same earphones to the same Pteq7 Modartt pianos playing the exact same piece independent of the video (just using Pteq7 run through Logic Pro), the sound in the earphones is far less “present” or “close”.

Why is that so?

Where did you get the MIDI file to play "the exact same piece"? The difference could be there! If you played it yourself and/or picked a MIDI file from a different source compared to the video. Velocity levels can be very different from one MIDI file and another "identical" one, and that can have huge effect on sound, even though it's not clear to me what "present" or "close" means to you, so it's not clear to me if they could have the effect you are hearing. If you upload your file (MIDI and/or wav/flac/mp3) we will understand better what you mean, and possibly hear if the MIDI file you used was dramatically different than the one they used in YT.

Where do I find a list of all posts I upvoted? :(

Re: Same Pianos - Different Sound

dv --

I didn't use a midi file.  On youtube I found the exact Satie piece by the same artist.  I'm not sure how to upload the mp3 file here, but the piece is Changing Gnossienne Nr. 1 played by Johannes Cernota.  I converted it online to a (supposedly) 320kbs mp3 file. 

I wish I could better describe the difference in sound.  Perhaps if you can you can convert/use the same youtube Satie piece you would also notice the difference I'm trying to describe.

I would certainly like to be more educated about what I'm hearing on youtube vs. what I'm hearing on Pianoteq 7.5.4

Thanks.

Re: Same Pianos - Different Sound

Chopin87 --

The notes for the youtube video states they are using 7.5 as am I...

Re: Same Pianos - Different Sound

tmyoung --  You very well could be right, but it mystifies me why the creator(s) of the video would themselves do anything to modify the sound when their purpose was to show the different sounds of the Pteq pianos in 7.5

Re: Same Pianos - Different Sound

sf_hombre wrote:

dv --

I didn't use a midi file.  On youtube I found the exact Satie piece by the same artist.  I'm not sure how to upload the mp3 file here, but the piece is Changing Gnossienne Nr. 1 played by Johannes Cernota.  I converted it online to a (supposedly) 320kbs mp3 file. 

I wish I could better describe the difference in sound.  Perhaps if you can you can convert/use the same youtube Satie piece you would also notice the difference I'm trying to describe.

I would certainly like to be more educated about what I'm hearing on youtube vs. what I'm hearing on Pianoteq 7.5.4

Thanks.

It's not clear to me what you are comparing then. Perhaps you can be more specific about the youtube finds you are comparing with each other, and how are you running Pianoteq in your computer (if that's part of the comparison).

Where do I find a list of all posts I upvoted? :(

Re: Same Pianos - Different Sound

dv –

The youtube video purports to cycle through the various Pteq 7.5 piano presets as a Satie piece plays, ostensibly so the youtube watcher/listener can hear the different preset sounds.  The description of the video says no mods were made to the presets for the video presentation. 

In watching/listening to the youtube presentation, I noticed that the sound was significantly different than what I was used to hearing when I use Pteq.  I didn’t understand why that was. 

So I found the exact Satie piece played by the same pianist on youtube and converted it online to an mp3 file.  I set up my Pteq 7.5 to run through logic pro (as usual) and loaded that mp3 file to play as a track in Logic Pro.

Since the youtube video visually shows the viewer each time a preset is changed, I was able to play youtube for a particular preset, stop the playback on youtube, then play the piece through my Pteq/Logic Pro setup, always using the same earphones.

I am trying to understand why this difference exists.

Re: Same Pianos - Different Sound

sf_hombre wrote:

I set up my Pteq 7.5 to run through logic pro (as usual) and loaded that mp3 file to play as a track in Logic Pro.

Thank you for taking the time to explain it. I am not familiar with Logic Pro, I only have pianoteq. I see it's a Mac DAW, but is Logic Pro something that converts MP3 to MIDI too? Otherwise I can't understand how that mp3 file can have anything to do with pianoteq, you would be just listening to an MP3 of a different piano.

Where do I find a list of all posts I upvoted? :(

Re: Same Pianos - Different Sound

sf_hombre wrote:

Chopin87 --

The notes for the youtube video states they are using 7.5 as am I...

I doubt it for two reasons:

1) The video was uploaded in this date: 15 nov 2020. In the changelog you can see the date of the 7.5 update which is: 2021/12/15;

2) While skipping through the presets you can clearly see he is missing the Felt Pianos introduced in a major update in version 7.4.

It is reasonable to think we are dealing with 2 different versions.

Last edited by Chopin87 (02-04-2022 09:45)
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Re: Same Pianos - Different Sound

dv wrote:
sf_hombre wrote:

I set up my Pteq 7.5 to run through logic pro (as usual) and loaded that mp3 file to play as a track in Logic Pro.

Thank you for taking the time to explain it. I am not familiar with Logic Pro, I only have pianoteq. I see it's a Mac DAW, but is Logic Pro something that converts MP3 to MIDI too? Otherwise I can't understand how that mp3 file can have anything to do with pianoteq, you would be just listening to an MP3 of a different piano.


dv --

Thanks for the reply.  This original "small" puzzle has become a time eater and I am just going to drop it.  Too many other rewarding things to pursue.  Thanks again.