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Re: Next big piano for PTQ 7?

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I heard a brief fragment on the Barenboim-Maene straight strung grand the other day, via standard TV sound.  That would be some project if TV sound makes such an impact!

Why not just conduct and play concert piano at the same time?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PyYNq3PTQYI

Thanks for the link.  I haven't had time to listen beyond the first movement, but the piano sounds very good. The compass around C4 to C5 - not measured, but in that ballpark - has a singing quality which seems really different: maybe akin to a mezzo with great depth of tone. I admire Barenboim greatly, both as musician and man. I have done little work with orchestras, but I can understand how his precise directions and obvious emotional can draw the best from people. Having said that, I am not sure about some of his changes of tempo in that movement.

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Re: Next big piano for PTQ 7?

sandalholme wrote:

I heard a brief fragment on the Barenboim-Maene straight strung grand the other day, via standard TV sound.  That would be some project if TV sound makes such an impact!

The straight strung Maene would definitely be interesting for Pianoteq.

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I would like to see greater refinement to the unofficial Yamaha package, and with that add a CFX model.  Maybe call it something like Concert-FX. I doubt that would tread on copyright. 
Further improvements to the FX section and models rather than another piano. If both all the better!

That would be nice. However, imagine if Yamaha ever allowed Pianoteq to sample their discontinued models (CFIII or CSII), especially Sviatoslav Richter's Yamaha piano. I rather wish Pianoteq made an unofficial set similar to a Yamaha piano.

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sandalholme wrote:

Thanks for the link.  I haven't had time to listen beyond the first movement, but the piano sounds very good..

Ha, I will have to make time to listen to the whole video myself.

AM20046 wrote:
Key Fumbler wrote:

I would like to see greater refinement to the unofficial Yamaha package, and with that add a CFX model.  Maybe call it something like Concert-FX. I doubt that would tread on copyright. 
Further improvements to the FX section and models rather than another piano. If both all the better!

That would be nice. However, imagine if Yamaha ever allowed Pianoteq to sample their discontinued models (CFIII or CSII), especially Sviatoslav Richter's Yamaha piano. I rather wish Pianoteq made an unofficial set similar to a Yamaha piano.

If those are better versions I would prefer that too. I don't think they would make an official Yamaha physical model.

For any unofficial version they wouldn't need permission to model any version of a piano, unless it was hidden away in development in their factory!
In any case Modartt could show a few shots of the real instruments, or make a brief video showing them capturing audio samples to develop the models to make it crystal clear which ones they were modelling.

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And this is the reason why i also would like to see the Fazioli piano added to the selection of instruments:
Nick Cave is full of praise for it.

https://www.theredhandfiles.com/piano-y...ot-prayer/

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That's a very funny story, thanks for the link!

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And this is the reason why i also would like to see the Fazioli piano added to the selection of instruments:
Nick Cave is full of praise for it.

https://www.theredhandfiles.com/piano-y...ot-prayer/

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Hmm... I wonder what Nick Cave would think of the Borgato 333, since it sounds almost like a scaled up F308.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pokcvPPysJU

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What do you think of this one ?

https://youtu.be/sOILiAIwwFM

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Hello Gérard and everyone,

Nice to see and listen to the Alexander Piano.

But, our Pianoteq can do even better. We already have a 10 m long Pianoteq on all models.
On ”design”, string length, just adjust the slider far to the right and we immediately have a 10 m long piano, string length 10 m. All Pianoteq models! WoW! 

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Pianoteqenthusiast wrote:

Hello Gérard and everyone,

Nice to see and listen to the Alexander Piano.

But, our Pianoteq can do even better. We already have a 10 m long Pianoteq on all models.
On ”design”, string length, just adjust the slider far to the right and we immediately have a 10 m long piano, string length 10 m. All Pianoteq models! WoW! 

Bonjour Stig,

Yes, I know we can increase the string length.
That's why yesterday I did a test with 5.79 m strings (The Alexander piano in 5.70 m long).

https://hearthis.at/xnwdv7yv/cinq-metres-septante-neuf/

But what is very interesting about that Alexander piano is how this piano was created, by a 15 year old New Zealander :

https://www.radioclassique.fr/magazine/...-du-monde/

https://www.alexanderpiano.nz/page/the-alexander-piano

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Re: Next big piano for PTQ 7?

Gaston wrote:
Pianoteqenthusiast wrote:

Hello Gérard and everyone,

Nice to see and listen to the Alexander Piano.

But, our Pianoteq can do even better. We already have a 10 m long Pianoteq on all models.
On ”design”, string length, just adjust the slider far to the right and we immediately have a 10 m long piano, string length 10 m. All Pianoteq models! WoW! 

Bonjour Stig,

Yes, I know we can increase the string length.
That's why yesterday I did a test with 5.79 m strings (The Alexander piano in 5.70 m long).

https://hearthis.at/xnwdv7yv/cinq-metres-septante-neuf/

But what is very interesting about that Alexander piano is how this piano was created, by a 15 year old New Zealander :

https://www.radioclassique.fr/magazine/...-du-monde/

https://www.alexanderpiano.nz/page/the-alexander-piano

Gérard,

Thank you for this excellent 5,79 - demo !
Your music is, as always, beyond amazing. This demo is a beautiful and a bit mysterious piece. I suppose you know that this parameter affects the timbre, as Modartt say, the inharmonicity decreases rapidly…..
Your sound is really different from your earlier pieces, wonderful those lower tones - I like it. Bravo, Master!

Best wishes,

Stig

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Re: Next big piano for PTQ 7?

When talking about the next big Pianoteq and Alexander piano 5,70m as well as Gaston’s Ptqdemo with 5.79 m string length, I made a really big upright piano with 5,57m string length  (using U4 Midnight)   Try to imagine standing in front of an upright piano that is 5 m high
I Like the bass and the high notes. Improvising/playing slowly with the intention of being able to better enjoy the sound. Stringlength 5,57m !

Try to imagine standing in front of an uprightpiano that is 5 m high 

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Re: Next big piano for PTQ 7?

Gaston wrote:

But what is very interesting about that Alexander piano is how this piano was created, by a 15 year old New Zealander :

https://www.radioclassique.fr/magazine/...-du-monde/

https://www.alexanderpiano.nz/page/the-alexander-piano

That is indeed very interesting!  thanks for sharing this story.

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Re: Next big piano for PTQ 7?

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What do you think of this one ?

https://youtu.be/sOILiAIwwFM


(!!!) How long are those strings? Straight-strung, yes? One thing odd about a piano of this length is that the strike point must be seriously strange, since it would be close to the usual position, but, with these long strings, far from the ideal position.

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Jake Johnson wrote:
Gaston wrote:

What do you think of this one ?

https://youtu.be/sOILiAIwwFM


(!!!) How long are those strings? Straight-strung, yes? One thing odd about a piano of this length is that the strike point must be seriously strange, since it would be close to the usual position, but, with these long strings, far from the ideal position.

From reading his website :
https://www.alexanderpiano.nz/page/the-alexander-piano
it seems to me that the kid has seriously thought about the problem.

"Scale design was based on a formula I had discovered in a 1916 book called A Treatise on the art of piano forte construction.
I was not very good at reading or writing. I skimmed through the book but this critical piece of information came just at the right time in the construction !
The physical design of the pianos scale was entirely based around the formula and hammer line. The placement of this hammer line was determined after another crucial piece of information was learnt. Hammer strike point. Suddenly things were falling into place and it all made sense.
Components such as the steel frame were designed around the scale and bridges. All of this was scribed onto a 1 to 1 piece of tin."

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I heard a brief fragment on the Barenboim-Maene straight strung grand the other day, via standard TV sound.  That would be some project if TV sound makes such an impact!

The straight strung Maene would definitely be interesting for Pianoteq.

Will be visiting Maene headquarters next week to try their new parlor-sized straight-strung CM200.

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That Alexander piano is amazing and he's one smart kid. Well, not so much a kid anymore.

I must experiment myself now and see what can be done. I really like the sound of the longer U4.

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Key Fumbler wrote:

I would like to see greater refinement to the unofficial Yamaha package, and with that add a CFX model.  Maybe call it something like Concert-FX. I doubt that would tread on copyright. 
Further improvements to the FX section and models rather than another piano. If both all the better!

Some others (Garritan, VSL) have Yamaha CFX among their products. But I don’t know how much they paid to be allowed to use the CFX term and/or the Yamaha logo.