Just upgraded to 7 today, and as always am impressed. I think that if it were possible to buy a grand action (like that in the Kawai NV10S) without any onboard bells and whistles, I'd have the perfect machine.
Speaking of Kawai, I think the instrument i would most like to see Modartt model next with the new engine is a Shigeru Kawai EX. How about you all? What would you like to see/hear/play next?
Why not a Fazioli F308 or the Barenboim-Maene ? Bosendorfer 290 ?
Pianoteq is so addictive that we always find a place in our virtual living room to add a new and beautiful piano.
... or one of these https://pianopricepoint.com/grand-piano...ove140000/
I think it is not so easy to get a contract with different piano factories, but if they succeed with the Italians at some point, I also wish a Fazioli.
Best,
Stig
Why not a Fazioli F308 or the Barenboim-Maene ? Bosendorfer 290 ?
Pianoteq is so addictive that we always find a place in our virtual living room to add a new and beautiful piano.
... or one of these https://pianopricepoint.com/grand-piano...ove140000/
Oh, the Maene looks amazing! Love the straight strings.
I think it is not so easy to get a contract with different piano factories, but if they succeed with the Italians at some point, I also wish a Fazioli.
Best,
Stig
They could just release an "F" model, I'm pretty sure they don't need a contract for that.
YvesTh wrote:Why not a Fazioli F308 or the Barenboim-Maene ? Bosendorfer 290 ?
Pianoteq is so addictive that we always find a place in our virtual living room to add a new and beautiful piano.
... or one of these https://pianopricepoint.com/grand-piano...ove140000/Oh, the Maene looks amazing! Love the straight strings.
+1 to the Maene
I'd really like a Shigeru Kawai personally.
We should start by oldest piano maker so Boesendorfer 360. +1
Bosendorfer Imperial for sure. It has unique tone. So different than other grand pianos. Modartt can do it perfect and call it Austrian Imperial...!
Three pianos missing from pianoteq... Bosendorfer...Kawai...Baldwin.
For me, it'd be either an extended range version (to C0) of a Fazioli F308 or Borgato 333 since they're very close tone-wise - I can match the former to the latter.
Or, the Stephen Paulello Opus 102; its treble tone is as clean and smooth as glass, which no other piano can replicate!
An old Baldwin, of course. Then a Chickering and Sons, and an old Mason-Hamlin.
EDIT: Just after writing this, I read a thread on the PianoWorld forum in which one of the engineers for Marian McPartland's "Piano Jazz" writes that the pianos used on the show were always Baldwin SF10's, which are a smaller model--7 feet long, which puts them at 1" longer than a Steinway B. Here's a link to the thread:
http://forum.pianoworld.com/ubbthreads....442/4.html
The post is by Gregnfc on page 4 of the thread.
I think Baldwin pianos were also used for Mr Rogers so entire generations grew up listening to that sound.
I would like to see greater refinement to the unofficial Yamaha package, and with that add a CFX model. Maybe call it something like Concert-FX. I doubt that would tread on copyright.
Further improvements to the FX section and models rather than another piano. If both all the better!
Good to see you are back.
A Shigeru Kawai SK-EX sounds interesting :
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WCqlYvjv8x4
I'd really like a Shigeru Kawai personally.
For me, I would rather have a Bosendorfer Imperial and / or Fazioli!
What I don't get is what stopping Modartt in doing it? I mean, they simply need to name it a different name and not bother with royalty. Isn't what other samples libraries do?
For me, I would rather have a Bosendorfer Imperial and / or Fazioli!
What I don't get is what stopping Modartt in doing it? I mean, they simply need to name it a different name and not bother with royalty. Isn't what other samples libraries do?
Well, as I see it, without going into details, it is apparently not at all easy to get an agreement that satisfies Modartt. If it were easy, we would already have both Bosendorfer and Fazioli.
That's how I think about it.
Best,
Stig
An old Baldwin, of course. Then a Chickering and Sons, and an old Mason-Hamlin.
That would be nice for us europeans since these pianos are very rare here, I've actually never encountered any of the mentioned brands in real life. I would also love to see an updated upright pack, maybe brand specific high end uprights from the makers that they have modeled the grands from (Like Grotrians excellent uprights).
https://www.stuartandsons.com/
I've never had a chance to play one in real life. Pianoteq might be my best chance!
https://www.stuartandsons.com/
I've never had a chance to play one in real life. Pianoteq might be my best chance!
Have they ever sold one in Europe?
sordess wrote:For me, I would rather have a Bosendorfer Imperial and / or Fazioli!
What I don't get is what stopping Modartt in doing it? I mean, they simply need to name it a different name and not bother with royalty. Isn't what other samples libraries do?
Well, as I see it, without going into details, it is apparently not at all easy to get an agreement that satisfies Modartt. If it were easy, we would already have both Bosendorfer and Fazioli.
That's how I think about it.Best,
Stig
There isn't even an official Yamaha pack, and Bosendorfer is owned by Yamaha.
Maybe since they went down the official licensed models route they don't want to muddy the waters reintroducing unlicensed models?
If so it would be a real shame if marketing effectively dictates what they get to model!
Not that what we have already isn't already more than enough, several times over.
https://www.stuartandsons.com/
I've never had a chance to play one in real life. Pianoteq might be my best chance!
For that, you would need a 108-key MIDI controller !!
hanysz wrote:https://www.stuartandsons.com/
I've never had a chance to play one in real life. Pianoteq might be my best chance!
For that, you would need a 108-key MIDI controller !!
Or two 54-key controllers side by side?
Paulo164 wrote:hanysz wrote:https://www.stuartandsons.com/
I've never had a chance to play one in real life. Pianoteq might be my best chance!
For that, you would need a 108-key MIDI controller !!
Or two 54-key controllers side by side?
Dang, your arms stretch that far?
I wonder if Modart, in case decide to create a Bosendorfer 290, would need to redesign some algorithm, like the one for emulate the piano rim. After all, Bosendorfer it't the only to use this rim manufacture technic :
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3jJJxID2iFc
https://pianopricepoint.com/wp-content/...ed-rim.jpg
https://www.stuartandsons.com/
I've never had a chance to play one in real life. Pianoteq might be my best chance!
It'd be interesting to see what Modartt would have to improve upon, since this piano doesn't utilize the double polarization that's so integral to the tone of their more recent models.
Uhnn????
As far as I know Double polarization it's not a feature added to real pianos by their manufactures, but it's more a result of laws of physics, acoustic, vibration, results behavior of materious under such conditions.
In V7 Modartt refined their algorithms to allow pianoteq encine to calculate also the horizontal vibration of strings, and as result the overal sound became more natural in all piano models of pianoteq.
hanysz wrote:https://www.stuartandsons.com/
I've never had a chance to play one in real life. Pianoteq might be my best chance!
It'd be interesting to see what Modartt would have to improve upon, since this piano doesn't utilize the double polarization that's so integral to the tone of their more recent models.
Uhnn????
As far as I know Double polarization it's not a feature added to real pianos by their manufactures, but it's more a result of laws of physics, acoustic, vibration, results behavior of materious under such conditions.
In V7 Modartt refined their algorithms to allow pianoteq encine to calculate also the horizontal vibration of strings, and as result the overal sound became more natural in all piano models of pianoteq.
Stuart & Sons pianos use bridge agraffes, which effectively constrains the vibration of strings to the vertical plane, so there'd be negligible horizontal vibration, if at all, present in the resulting piano model.
I wonder if Modart, in case decide to create a Bosendorfer 290, would need to redesign some algorithm, like the one for emulate the piano rim. After all, Bosendorfer it't the only to use this rim manufacture technic :
There are a lot of Boesendorfer characteristics which sets it apart from the competition. This pdf states some of them:
https://www.pianoexperts.com/wp-content...dorfer.pdf
What is preoccupying is the fact that with their recent models they are moving towards a more standard piano manufacturing like we've seen for example for Bechstein.
Hi folks, I used to be a member here many years ago, but forgot all my old forum info, so I just set up a new profile.
I realize the piano I'm looking for might not be as popular a request, but I really, *really* wish Modartt would do a spinet of some kind. I'm not particular on the brand or anything, I would just love to have one of those at the Pianoteq quality level. They're so popular in recorded music these days, especially pop/rock/folk. You hear them even in big songs. Would be very different than anything else in the Pianoteq library.
I was struck by David Baer's comment on whither Pianoteq 7 in his recent review of our favourite application in the Sound Bytes magazine.
https://soundbytesmag.net/review-pianot...tt-part-2/
After giving a glowing review of the non-classical piano Instrument Packs, which, I should say, convinced me to add the Xylophone and Steelpans packs at the recent sale, he says the following:
"I think it’s fun to speculate what might come next. We don’t really need another high-end concert grand piano (not that many Pianoteq fans would likely be annoyed at an Imperial Bösendorfer being added to the catalog!), but there are lots of opportunities beyond the well-stocked piano category. My top wish would be for a pack containing a hammered dulcimer and its close relative, a cimbalom. In fact, the traditional instrument types from the whole of Eastern Europe and Russia seem loaded with possibilities.
It’s going to be fascinating to observe how Pianoteq develops in the future. How far Modartt has come thus far is nothing short of wonderful."
Having just listened to Erzsébet Gódor play F. Liszt: Hungarian Rhapsody No. 2 on the cimbalom
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpvtVYoc3Bg
I would definitely be in line to buy Cimbalom/Dulcimer pack from Modartt, when they release it. Could one also put in a word for the zither as a possible Instrument pack as well. Afterall, if one can manage to put a Concert Harp into Pianoteq, some of these other Eastern European and Russian traditional instruments should prove to be a relative cinch.
Anyone for some Smetana, Dvořák or Janáček as interpreted on Pianoteq?
Michael
Heh, I just found my old forum login info. Oh well, I can't figure out how to delete that new profile.
At any rate, another vote for a spinet of some kind here.
There is already a cimbalom for pianoteq:
https://www.modartt.com/cimbalom
I was struck by David Baer's comment on whither Pianoteq 7 in his recent review of our favourite application in the Sound Bytes magazine.
https://soundbytesmag.net/review-pianot...tt-part-2/
After giving a glowing review of the non-classical piano Instrument Packs, which, I should say, convinced me to add the Xylophone and Steelpans packs at the recent sale, he says the following:
"I think it’s fun to speculate what might come next. We don’t really need another high-end concert grand piano (not that many Pianoteq fans would likely be annoyed at an Imperial Bösendorfer being added to the catalog!), but there are lots of opportunities beyond the well-stocked piano category. My top wish would be for a pack containing a hammered dulcimer and its close relative, a cimbalom. In fact, the traditional instrument types from the whole of Eastern Europe and Russia seem loaded with possibilities.
It’s going to be fascinating to observe how Pianoteq develops in the future. How far Modartt has come thus far is nothing short of wonderful."
Having just listened to Erzsébet Gódor play F. Liszt: Hungarian Rhapsody No. 2 on the cimbalom
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpvtVYoc3Bg
I would definitely be in line to buy Cimbalom/Dulcimer pack from Modartt, when they release it. Could one also put in a word for the zither as a possible Instrument pack as well. Afterall, if one can manage to put a Concert Harp into Pianoteq, some of these other Eastern European and Russian traditional instruments should prove to be a relative cinch.
Anyone for some Smetana, Dvořák or Janáček as interpreted on Pianoteq?
Michael
There is already a cimbalom for pianoteq:
What a marvellous example of Modartt anticipating the desires of its customers before they even get around to uttering them !!!
I would not feel quite so daft, if I did not have the KIViR Project already loaded on my instance of Pianoteq, and that I had thus obviously failed to register that the cimbalom was there, albeit right at the bottom of my drop-down screen.
I think I shall just go and sit in the corner and quietly eat daisies
Michael
Beto-Music wrote:There is already a cimbalom for pianoteq:
What a marvellous example of Modartt anticipating the desires of its customers before they even get around to uttering them !!!
I would not feel quite so daft, if I did not have the KIViR Project already loaded on my instance of Pianoteq, and that I had thus obviously failed to register that the cimbalom was there, albeit right at the bottom of my drop-down screen.
I think I shall just go and sit in the corner and quietly eat daisies
Michael
That's the virtual world in a nutshell. We often don't know what we've got already - and perhaps it's less fun to get the best out of what we have, rather than scratching that consumer itch.
We certainly don't know how to optimise what we have already either.
We often don't really need new sounds and new plugins, but we get that dopamine hit of acquiring the new rather than learning.
I'd love to hear a bit more of the wondrous Pianoteq cimbalom. Like the Harp, it doesn't seem to get much of an airing in the Recordings forum. A couple of years ago in the video competition I had some fun with the cimbalom, recreating the sound of an egg slicer! (It's called The Pianoteq Egg Slicer Project, if you're curious...).
Heh, I just found my old forum login info. Oh well, I can't figure out how to delete that new profile.
At any rate, another vote for a spinet of some kind here.
1+ for a spinet. (And I’m still hoping for a full-sized upright.) Some thoughts about a spinet:
—we would need to be able to control the wall distance, as we can with the current upright.
—I would think that quite a bit of experimentation would be needed to find the optimal mic positions for the reference recordings. To me, at least, spinets sound wonderful from some, close positions, but only a few positions.
—and I for one would want some more control over the wall. May sound silly, but some walls are more reflective, some more absorbent. Marble, plaster, and drywall will affect the reflections differently, and probably affect different frequencies in their own way.
Spinet? Isn't that the same word for "firewood?"
Spinet? Isn't that the same word for "firewood?"
I don’t think so. And seriously, the Spitfire Firewood Piano is lovely. That piano really was on fire at one point in its history.
Spinets sound wonderful in at least two contexts: 1. an intimate, up close, warm piano-and-vocal song that’s not meant to be bombastic. 2. A big song with lots of guitars where you want the piano to be one of the textures, but not the featured instrument. Coldplay has done this to great effect, regardless of one’s feeling about their music.
An older Acrosonic spinet by Baldwin would be the one to model. They're pretty much the only spinet that are not (necessarily) most useful as firewood. Very unique instruments...I hesitate to even call them pianos. But I'd be interested in a model of one too. And then people wanting a Baldwin model would be happy...just kidding!
An older Acrosonic spinet by Baldwin would be the one to model. They're pretty much the only spinet that are not (necessarily) most useful as firewood. Very unique instruments...I hesitate to even call them pianos. But I'd be interested in a model of one too. And then people wanting a Baldwin model would be happy...just kidding!
I may have said this before.
I expect an official Baldwin licence would be a bit of an awkward situation for Modartt?
I don't think they would want to model any of the modern Chinese Baldwin pianos. Perhaps the Baldwin brand wouldn't wish to see Modartt modelling only the legacy American models? - what would that say about their output?
Maybe they could do it as part of the historical package of pianos without using the brand?
Is the classic American Baldwin a brand that was available in Europe in great enough numbers to expect to find a pristine condition unit suitable for capture today?
Alternatively is there a good enough heavily sampled "Baldwin Digital" that could be used for a basis for modelling?
I just want more presets for the YC5.
Warm, Bright, Gentle, Jazz, Cinematic, Dreamy, Venue....just like the Steinies
I wonder if Modart, in case decide to create a Bosendorfer 290, would need to redesign some algorithm, like the one for emulate the piano rim. After all, Bosendorfer it't the only to use this rim manufacture technic :
I think Mason and Hamlin do as well. I visited their factory a couple of times on Pianoworld tours, but it's been a while. I'm lucky that they're only about 3 miles from my house on the other side of town. :-)
My late piano teacher had a 1905 M&H Model AA once owned by the Mason family. I don't know what happened the instrument after her death, but it was in really, really rough shape by then. This piano would have been a nice candidate for modeling. Compared to the new ones, her instrument always had a sweeter sound.
Zumadale wrote:Spinet? Isn't that the same word for "firewood?"
I don’t think so. And seriously, the Spitfire Firewood Piano is lovely. That piano really was on fire at one point in its history.
Spinets sound wonderful in at least two contexts: 1. an intimate, up close, warm piano-and-vocal song that’s not meant to be bombastic. 2. A big song with lots of guitars where you want the piano to be one of the textures, but not the featured instrument. Coldplay has done this to great effect, regardless of one’s feeling about their music.
I agree with Mark here.
I grew up playing on a 1948 Wurlitzer spinet. The instrument always sounded tinny with no depth to the tone even after my parents had it tuned. The keyboard had a key depth that would destroy your first big knuckles if you ever, ever attempted a glissando. When the instrument finally fell apart, I got something better and eventually replaced that with my Vogel 177T and my Roland LX-17.
How about the British Cavendish Boudoir piano, amongst a number of alternative models from a selection of smaller European piano manufacturers (such as Borgato - at the other end of the price scale to Cavendish) in their own pack?
It might be nice to raise the profile of a small relatively new player in the market. A European piano (if not an EU product).
Not a high end product at £22k so maybe not something to appear on its own?
I notice how folks praise the sound of older more mellow (what we could call old school) sounding pianos, in contrast with sharper Japanese sound. Apparently the Cavendish has this. Perhaps a product of lower string tension, which I guess is a limitation of the price point, but may also be a benefit for a certain character.
Or perhaps upgrade the U4 pack with a few actual branded products, including a Cavendish upright?
https://youtu.be/ro3ZIAm3jSo
Or perhaps is it that anything other than the best of the best, or characterful vintage models expected to sound technically inferior just look plain inferior in virtualised form, robbed of the pride of ownership and physical presence of the real thing?
IOW only something like an old quirky Spinet, or historic instruments or class leading top of the range grands are fit for virtualisation?
+1 for some British pianos, new or vintage.
The Kawai gets my vote. I have one of their digital pianos (which has the EX and the SK-5), and love their vibe.
I would like to see a Modartt Windteq product too. Bring their modelling expertise to woodwind and brass for wind controllers and breath controllers.
I heard a brief fragment on the Barenboim-Maene straight strung grand the other day, via standard TV sound. That would be some project if TV sound makes such an impact!
I heard a brief fragment on the Barenboim-Maene straight strung grand the other day, via standard TV sound. That would be some project if TV sound makes such an impact!
Why not just conduct and play concert piano at the same time?
