Topic: Allow Lid Removal
We are now at version 7 and there is still no option to completely remove the piano lid. I find this most annoying. I can't understand the developers' refusal to allow this.
- Amen Ptah Ra
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Say man, that and a sorely needed loop feature!
I feel I’m behind you (100%). That’s positively!
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I commented a bout lid removal about 3 times. It would be interesting.
---EDITED---The upright U4 piano, already hava option to remove the front wood panels (upper and lower), but it's connected to the lid open control, so you can't just open the lid or just remove 1 or 2 panels, since it's the 3 are connected:
Many studios record piano (grand and upright) without the lid/panel
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In the upright I think the lid completely up is actually a sound without lid or cover panels but this is a unique model which considers the presence of a wall. On the grand pianos is a different story and it is likely not possible unless updating the entire sound diffusion model because it disperses differently without the reflection and projection of the lid. Today a lot of pianos have some kind of lid modelling (by applying a simple filter) while removing the lid involves a different kind of sound altogether. Just a mere speculation though.
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The maximum allowed lid opening perhaps already works as a removed lid on pianoteq, at least for the microphones. If we put one mic very next to the lid "wall" in the right side, or very next to the left side, we don't get much difference. But I'm not sure.
Chopin87 wrote:
In the upright I think the lid completely up is actually a sound without lid or cover panels but this is a unique model which considers the presence of a wall. On the grand pianos is a different story and it is likely not possible unless updating the entire sound diffusion model because it disperses differently without the reflection and projection of the lid. Today a lot of pianos have some kind of lid modelling (by applying a simple filter) while removing the lid involves a different kind of sound altogether. Just a mere speculation though.
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- Amen Ptah Ra
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harnham wrote:
We are now at version 7 and there is still no option to completely remove the piano lid. I find this most annoying. I can't understand the developers' refusal to allow this.
Beto-Music wrote:
The maximum allowed lid opening perhaps already works as a removed lid on pianoteq, at least for the microphones. If we put one mic very next to the lid "wall" in the right side, or very next to the left side, we don't get much difference. But I'm not sure.
Chopin87 wrote:In the upright I think the lid completely up is actually a sound without lid or cover panels but this is a unique model which considers the presence of a wall. On the grand pianos is a different story and it is likely not possible unless updating the entire sound diffusion model because it disperses differently without the reflection and projection of the lid. Today a lot of pianos have some kind of lid modelling (by applying a simple filter) while removing the lid involves a different kind of sound altogether. Just a mere speculation though.
A completely vertical lid in fact was once permitted by the developers:
Anyway, at the time I was myself against a wall. I mean any idea that it can become somehow useful in a piano recording, other than for the upright of course. However, if you were allowed indeed to record a grand with one, you may just find it very useful to bring out a lot of up close dynamics in ways probably highly unlikely without it. And, that well might help if you're after any sort of an intimate setting, such as many jazz musicians often are.
Dave Brubeck used to record with one:
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Just an added note: a wall next to a grand might readily give the impression of the immediate intimacy of the piano focused in your piano recording, so much so that you may hear even the hammers interacting with the strings sounding struck more lively inside their wood enclosure because of it. It is indeed in effect like an extension to the piano lid itself, but taller and wider and with a lot more mass to both reflect and absorb resonances. Which are highly desirable.
However, the wall like any allowance for a possibly badly needed lid removal system might require a lot of extra effort on the part of developers to produce ostensibly for all its software end users. But, I for one may argue if we (you, others, and I) do have marvelous modelled pianos which are indeed ours in homes and studios, we ought to do just as we please with them as we would with any other, including taking off a lid or placing one along a wall getting out of them precisely the sounds we in fact want our pianos to have ultimately in our own recordings.
Man, they are our pianos right?
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Just wanted to add my voice to the choir in requesting this feature. Lid removal is very much an important tool in the contemporary recording toolkit. As an example, here is Ólafur Arnalds´ 1904 Bechstein:
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- Jake Johnson
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I agree that a lidless version of each instrument would be very valuable. However, I also see the problem: A distinct set of the initial source recordings would have to be made with the lid removed. It would be like recording an entirely new instrument, would it not? I doubt that it would be possible to write code that could remove all of the waves reflected off the lid and add those that would now be rising to the ceiling instead of being reflected towards the audience. Or, it might be possible to write the code, but a better result would be obtained by recording the source samples sans lid.
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Amen Ptah Ra wrote:
Say man, that and a sorely needed loop feature!
I feel I’m behind you (100%). That’s positively!
Ah! Someone else that wants a loop feature. I'm not alone then - been requesting this since I bought Pianoteq from v.3. We'll have to join forces and shout louder
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Piano lid removal now possible (double click on lid).
Thank you developers!
Thank you really, since now I can get the sounds recorded out of the piano much like some which had been played by one of my childhood sweethearts that is Patrice Rushen, and of course along with other notables, those of late namely Bill Evans, John Lewis and Marian McPartland.
Again, thank you.
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- Jake Johnson
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Double-clicking on the lid to remove it seems to only work if I click on certain parts of the lid in the left-most pane on the Mics page. If I click on the lid that rests over the middle or right side of the keyboard, the lid does vanish, but double-clicking on most of the lid, to the left of center, does nothing. (In the right-most pane, double-clicking on the lid does remove it, indicating it's ex-position with broken lines.) Suggestion: let us right-click on the lid and then choose an option to remove or install the lid.
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