Topic: 2nm (nanometer) chips coming.

When they talked about 7nm, to 5nm and now just 2nm, I imagine that it would create 200% fater processors or so, and not just 45% of extra final speed as they revealed in the end of the video. I was thinking the sort of thing: "Now pianoteq will skyrocket to the Moon."

But energy saving it's impressive.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HD5KbeR5mtc

Last edited by Beto-Music (13-05-2021 17:40)

Re: 2nm (nanometer) chips coming.

Beto-Music wrote:

When they talked about 7nm, to 5nm and now just 2nm, I imagine that it would create 200% fater processors or so, and not just 45% of extra final speed as they revealed in the end of the video. I was thinking the sort of thing: "Now pianoteq will skyrocket to the Moon."

But energy saving it's impressive.

It doesn't work that way sadly. You aren't going to see 200% faster processors through this. More like the 45% is actually a bullish projection in absolute best case scenario conditions. That's still excellent, if they can have a reliable yield, especially when combined with low consumption and likely greater reliability.

More likely you will see even more parallel processing cores on ever more efficient portable devices. Quadruple energy efficiency for the processors alone is pretty amazing, but that will likely be substantially reduced by display screen and Wi-Fi chip power consumption.  If they halve + the amount of battery charging that would be cool. 
Manafacturers are still struggling with stability of production with the tiny 7nm process. So what's possible in limited production has to scaled up for mass production. Combine that with the complexity of a modern CPU with many more gates than you have in a more simple mobile device it could take a while to improve the baseline machines for Pianoteq.

It's incredible what technological advancements the market forces of capitalism has achieved for mankind.

Last edited by Key Fumbler (14-05-2021 11:31)

Re: 2nm (nanometer) chips coming.

I had imagined if they get smaller "drawing capability"(which it's made by infrared lasers) they could create smaller transistors and put more transistors in the same space, and so increasing performance.

Anyway if they have 1/4 of power consumption, they can create more cores without great energy consumption. The problem it's the cost to create more cores.

Pianoteq as it is today do not create better sounds with a very high end processor, but if computer power could get average increase of 200% (let's just supose...) they can redesign the engine to consider more variants. For other side sampled based pianos still relys in memory and HD capability to create heavier versions of their pianos.

Anyway, in other video they said 2nm will take many years, as 5mn it's not even often today, since there is only a very few machines in the world able to work in 2nm scale. And maybe even more time to processors with 30 cores in 2nm became affordable.

Since you sound very well informed, let me ask: How close are we from a computer power speed stagnation or some sort of reduction in the evolution which could give the impression of stagnation?

Key Fumbler wrote:

It doesn't work that way sadly. You aren't going to see 200% faster processors through this. More like the 45% is actually a bullish projection in absolute best case scenario conditions. That's still excellent, if they can have a reliable yield, especially when combined with low consumption and likely greater reliability.

More likely you will see even more parallel processing cores on ever more efficient portable devices. Quadruple energy efficiency for the processors alone is pretty amazing, but that will likely be substantially reduced by display screen and Wi-Fi chip power consumption.  If they halve + the amount of battery charging that would be cool. 
Manafacturers are still struggling with stability of production with the tiny 7nm process. So what's possible in limited production has to scaled up for mass production. Combine that with the complexity of a modern CPU with many more gates than you have in a more simple mobile device it could take a while to improve the baseline machines for Pianoteq.

It's incredible what technological advancements the market forces of capitalism has achieved for mankind.

Last edited by Beto-Music (14-05-2021 13:30)

Re: 2nm (nanometer) chips coming.

At same time we have many people who think Earth its flat and pandemic would be a hoax and vacines are designed to kill or controll minds.

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Key Fumbler wrote:

It's incredible what technological advancements the market forces of capitalism has achieved for mankind.

Last edited by Beto-Music (14-05-2021 13:39)

Re: 2nm (nanometer) chips coming.

Beto-Music wrote:

I had imagined if they get smaller "drawing capability"(which it's made by infrared lasers) they could create smaller transistors and put more transistors in the same space, and so increasing performance.

Anyway if they have 1/4 of power consumption, they can create more cores without great energy consumption. The problem it's the cost to create more cores.

Pianoteq as it is today do not create better sounds with a very high end processor, but if computer power could get average increase of 200% (let's just supose...) they can redesign the engine to consider more variants. For other side sampled based pianos still relys in memory and HD capability to create heavier versions of their pianos.

Anyway, in other video they said 2nm will take many years, as 5mn it's not even often today, since there is only a very few machines in the world able to work in 2nm scale. And maybe even more time to processors with 30 cores in 2nm became affordable.

Since you sound very well informed, let me ask: How close are we from a computer power speed stagnation or some sort of reduction in the evolution which could give the impression of stagnation?

Key Fumbler wrote:

It doesn't work that way sadly. You aren't going to see 200% faster processors through this. More like the 45% is actually a bullish projection in absolute best case scenario conditions. That's still excellent, if they can have a reliable yield, especially when combined with low consumption and likely greater reliability.

More likely you will see even more parallel processing cores on ever more efficient portable devices. Quadruple energy efficiency for the processors alone is pretty amazing, but that will likely be substantially reduced by display screen and Wi-Fi chip power consumption.  If they halve + the amount of battery charging that would be cool. 
Manafacturers are still struggling with stability of production with the tiny 7nm process. So what's possible in limited production has to scaled up for mass production. Combine that with the complexity of a modern CPU with many more gates than you have in a more simple mobile device it could take a while to improve the baseline machines for Pianoteq.

It's incredible what technological advancements the market forces of capitalism has achieved for mankind.

Haven't they already stagnated in a way?
I won't pretend to be an expert, or even a serious enthusiast with the latest chipsets every year (far from it these days as my i7 CPU is nearly a decade old!), but I remember a bit of this stuff. The laws of physics and thermal limits dictating clock speeds (which is why we get more and more cores rather than faster and faster single cores).

Obviously more cores is more risk and cost on the yield. I think it works in much the same way with processors as graphics chips, wherein they will use the reliable parts and disable potentially weak/imperfect cores, or specify chips for slower clocked CPUs. As far as I understand it it's not just deliberately fabricating slower chips for different price segments as will obviously happen. 


Beto-Music wrote:

At same time we have many people who think Earth its flat and pandemic would be a hoax and vacines are designed to kill or controll minds.

Technology advances and society becomes a monkey driving George Jetson's flying car.

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Key Fumbler wrote:

It's incredible what technological advancements the market forces of capitalism has achieved for mankind.

Yes, not forgetting people believing in tracker nanochips in the blood from the vaccines! - presumably these people think James Bond movies are serious, hard hitting documentaries?; well apart from the one where he went into space, where the world appeared to not be a flat disc, presumably on the back of a turtle! 
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