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Topic: Silent key press for natural tone resonance not possible?

Just tried a "silent key press" to just release the dampers
and get the resonances from the natural tones, when playing these notes above.
but that seems not to be possible? Any more?? I use the latest PTQ version.
I thought I remember it once worked, but I'm not sure.
I get the resonances when I play a note in pppp or so,
but not when I silently press a key. This seems not to be recognized as a key press
by the midi interface? Or is it just my old Yamaha SG2 interface?

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Re: Silent key press for natural tone resonance not possible?

Arkanda wrote:

Just tried a "silent key press" to just release the dampers
and get the resonances from the natural tones, when playing these notes above.
but that seems not to be possible? Any more?? I use the latest PTQ version.
I thought I remember it once worked, but I'm not sure.
I get the resonances when I play a note in pppp or so,
but not when I silently press a key. This seems not to be recognized as a key press
by the midi interface? Or is it just my old Yamaha SG2 interface?

Playing harmonics over silent key press is indeed possible with pianoteq. If it’s not working it’s most probably your controller that’s not sending the right midi message. You can check that in options - midi, the message for standard midi should be "note on velocity: 1" for silent key press.

Update:
I visited at your profile and saw that you're using a Yamaha silent system. Try to switch midi dialect to Disklavier XP in the midi settings (the same place as you'll find the midi messages). in this mode the message should be "Damper position value: 127" for silent keypress. I had the same problem with my Yamaha Avantgrand N1 but when I switched to the Disklavier XP dialect it worked just fine as it has another standard for midi messages. The Disklavier XP also suports other functions that standard midi doesn't like different values of the damper position I mentioned above.

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johanibraaten wrote:

Playing harmonics over silent key press is indeed possible with pianoteq. If it’s not working it’s most probably your controller that’s not sending the right midi message. You can check that in options - midi, the message for standard midi should be "note on velocity: 1" for silent key press.

Update:
I visited at your profile and saw that you're using a Yamaha silent system. Try to switch midi dialect to Disklavier XP in the midi settings (the same place as you'll find the midi messages). I had the same problem with my Yamaha Avantgrand N1 but when I switched to the Disklavier XP dialect it worked just fine as it has another standard for midi messages. The Disklavier XP also suports other funktions that standard midi doesn't like "damper position".

Ah, thank you very much!
I just had a look at the settings, however, I still have no idea where to set these options mentioned.
The MIDI output from my Yamaha SG2 unit goes into the MIDI input in a RME Firceface UCX, and this one is connceted via USB to my laptop.
I'm not aware there are any MIDI settings possible for the Fireface UXC and I also had a look in the PTQ options and
unfortunately found nothing that would match...

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Arkanda wrote:
johanibraaten wrote:

Playing harmonics over silent key press is indeed possible with pianoteq. If it’s not working it’s most probably your controller that’s not sending the right midi message. You can check that in options - midi, the message for standard midi should be "note on velocity: 1" for silent key press.

Update:
I visited at your profile and saw that you're using a Yamaha silent system. Try to switch midi dialect to Disklavier XP in the midi settings (the same place as you'll find the midi messages). I had the same problem with my Yamaha Avantgrand N1 but when I switched to the Disklavier XP dialect it worked just fine as it has another standard for midi messages. The Disklavier XP also suports other funktions that standard midi doesn't like "damper position".

Ah, thank you very much!
I just had a look at the settings, however, I still have no idea where to set these options mentioned.
The MIDI output from my Yamaha SG2 unit goes into the MIDI input in a RME Firceface UCX, and this one is connceted via USB to my laptop.
I'm not aware there are any MIDI settings possible for the Fireface UXC and I also had a look in the PTQ options and
unfortunately found nothing that would match...

I don't think your audio interface has anything to do with the problem, as long as pianoteq receives midi signals from it and you get pianoteq to sound it's fine. The settings I mentioned is in pianoteq. Click on the "options" button on the upper right corner of the interface, then click "Midi" in the menu bar that appears. When you are in the midi settings look for the "Dialect" setting, it is just below the middle on the right side. There you choose "Disklavier XP".

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johanibraaten wrote:

I don't think your audio interface has anything to do with the problem, as long as pianoteq receives midi signals from it and you get pianoteq to sound it's fine. The settings I mentioned is in pianoteq. Click on the "options" button on the upper right corner of the interface, then click in "Midi" in the menu bar that appears. When you are in the midi settings look for the "Dialect" setting, it is just below the middle on the right side. There you close "Disklavier XP".

I see! And now it works, indeed!
Thank you very much!!!

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Arkanda wrote:
johanibraaten wrote:

I don't think your audio interface has anything to do with the problem, as long as pianoteq receives midi signals from it and you get pianoteq to sound it's fine. The settings I mentioned is in pianoteq. Click on the "options" button on the upper right corner of the interface, then click in "Midi" in the menu bar that appears. When you are in the midi settings look for the "Dialect" setting, it is just below the middle on the right side. There you close "Disklavier XP".

I see! And now it works, indeed!
Thank you very much!!!

Very good!

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