Topic: FEATURE REQUEST: Reverb Wet/Dry Adjustment Per Stop

Currently, in Organteq 1.6.2, just one particular reverb (and its wet/dry mix adjustment) can be selected for the entire organ.

Perhaps, like a manual's stop's independent volume adjustment, there could exist or be implemented an independent reverb Wet/Dry +/- adjustment for each manual's stops in the Stop Edit window. (This effect of this setting would of course be audible only when Organteq's global reverb is enabled / has not been disabled by the user.)

A stop's independent volume and reverb wet/dry mix settings together could be used for example to emulate the sound qualities of a rank or ranks of pipes that are located closer to or more distant from a listener's perspective, at the rear of the virtual cathedral for instance instead of at the front, or to one side or the other, or any different location within the edifice, or pipes that are oriented differently, some perhaps projecting horizontally toward the audience rather than vertically toward the ceiling. Independent volume and reverb adjustments for each manual's assigned stops could also simulate both louder, forward sounding en chamade pipes (louder volume, decreased reverb), and enclosed antiphonal pipes (softer volume, increased reverb).

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Currently, each stop assigned to a particular manual's group of stops has an independent volume-adjustment setting in the Stop Edit window (this is a very useful and nice feature). Even the same stop, within another manual's group of assigned stops, has its own independent volume adjustment (for example, the Doublette 2' stop for the Grand Orgue manual can be set to volume 0 (the default volume for that stop), and the same stop (Doublette 2') in the Positif manual can be set to +2 or -3, etc.).

Perhaps, like the volume-adjustment setting mentioned above, an independent reverb wet/dry +/- adjustment can be added for each stop assigned to each manual, in the Stop Edit window, a setting the effects of which would be heard only when Organteq's global reverb effect has not been disabled by the user, of course.

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These reverb settings would be independent of routing audio to individual channels/speakers in a multi-channel, surround-sound environment.

Just an idea--

Last edited by Stephen_Doonan (04-05-2021 13:04)
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Linux, Pianoteq Pro, Organteq

Re: FEATURE REQUEST: Reverb Wet/Dry Adjustment Per Stop

This is an idea I would obviously support, as it would resolve most of the problems I have so far encountered whilst trying to emulate “reeds en chamade” within a particular organ. If a single manual, or a number of stops, could be configured with their own Settings (including reverb), then, as you say, they could be aurally positioned anywhere within the virtual edifice and at any virtual orientation.

However, can I offer a small caveat on this idea. In the late 1980’s I worked with the initial installation of Ventura Publishing in my Government Department. After years of working with primitive word processors and text editors, one was given the choice of using hundreds of different fonts, each in a range of sizes, styles and colours, all in a single document and so one did. Some of the early reports produced by DTP systems would give a dog’s breakfast a bad name. Then one learnt that less is in fact more, as professional typesetters had known for years, and documents henceforth became paragons of elegant simplicity; or at least I thought so.

If one has the ability, to independently vary the Settings and reverbs for each of the four manuals and each of the forty stop positions, then initially one will and ranks and mixtures will be scattered with virtual gay abandon all over the edifice, simply because one can. The resulting organ virtual architecture will certainly produce a unique soundscape, but whether it is a pleasant or an edifying aural experience one would beg leave to doubt.

It may be that we would find that configuring the Settings for a single manual, in comparison to the rest of the organ’s configuration, could produce the effect of a solo manual with its ranks of pipes in a different virtual position within the edifice, or that single ranks of pipes could be virtually placed in answering batteries around the edifice. Aural simplicity is probably going to work better in most situations compared to a plethora of contrasting and competing sound sources.

I will admit that, trying to accurately model the relative virtual position of differing ranks of pipes, by manually altering the various Settings, is both a laborious effort, and an arcane art. It is very much a case of trial and a lot of errors.  The professional applications that allow you to position your sound sources within a 3D space give you the ability to drag and drop your sound source within a circle/sphere surrounding the listener, or allow you to enter the dimensions, geometry and physical qualities of the 3D space and to then move your sound sources accordingly. The important point to note here is that the reverb settings required to simulate each virtual position are calculated and applied by the application itself, as are the interactions between the various sound sources.

If Modartt could provide the functionality that would allow me to drag and drop divisions and/or ranks of pipes within a virtual 3D space and to then calculate the relevant alterations to the Settings, within the application, one would be extremely happy. I suppose that this is the conceptual reverse of allowing a user to position the microphones around a single piano in Pianoteq. Here we would like the ability to position various parts of the organ around a single listener in Organteq. It would, for instance, allow the user to alter the architecture of the organ from French to German and back again, as well as to all geographic points between.

However, as a consequence of the work that this may require, I can see this functionality as a major release rather than a minor, if extremely useful, functional addition.

In the meantime, I would be more than happy to support your suggestion of being given the ability to manually alter the Settings for manuals and/or stops myself, and I promise that I will attempt to maintain some semblance of aural simplicity in the process.

Michael

Pianoteq 8 Studio plus all Instrument packs; Organteq 2; Debian; Reaper; Carla

Re: FEATURE REQUEST: Reverb Wet/Dry Adjustment Per Stop

mprimrose wrote:

This is an idea I would obviously support, as it would resolve most of the problems I have so far encountered whilst trying to emulate “reeds en chamade” within a particular organ.

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As you mentioned in another of your posts, a manual's stop's volume adjustment (in the Stop Edit window) could be used to emulate, in part, pipes en chamade. And as you mention above, a per-stop reverb wet/dry-mix adjustment could enhance this emulation.

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https://i.postimg.cc/W1n6ysZz/Trompette-en-chamade.jpg

Last edited by Stephen_Doonan (03-05-2021 12:08)
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Linux, Pianoteq Pro, Organteq

Re: FEATURE REQUEST: Reverb Wet/Dry Adjustment Per Stop

Yes, definitely. I admit that originally I hadn't considered this, but really this does need to be considered.

But, we do need to focus on more details and fixes, such as actual custom voicing of stops, so much so we could create unique pipe voicings, we also need 32' ranks to enhance the pedal division and further stops for the current 3 manuals. We also need to look at including a 2nd expression pedal so that rather than the swell driving swell and choir as I have mine set up, ideally a choir pedal should be there also.

It would be nice for a 4th manual, but I don't think that would happen here. but that said, look at how far organteq has come so far, there's so much that can be done here, why not?

Last edited by lewisalexander2020 (05-05-2021 15:56)
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