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Topic: Minimum playable MIDI signal achieved??

Hi All,

Since I'm not being able to get less than 25 while softly playing complete passages (I can hardly ahieve less values when individually stroke but not playable at all), I wondered what you guys getting from your controllers when trying to play pianissimo?

My pianos is a Kawai CA97 (GF2) and while I can get pianissimo through the onboard sounds, I cannot get the pianissimo signal through MIDI, even playing as softly in both cases.

Also, adjusting the velocity curve so I get the complete dynamic range, doesn't result in a pleasing playing experience, despite getting the whole range

Reply by marcos daniel

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Re: Minimum playable MIDI signal achieved??

I guess it depends on the action, I own a two Kawais, a CL35 and a MP11. On the CL35 (advanced hammer action 4) it is possible to obtain almost all the values between 0 and 127 quite consistently, by the other hand, the MP11 (first version of Grand Feel action) has the same behaviour you describe.

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Re: Minimum playable MIDI signal achieved??

The problem is as old as digital piano industries it seems, forums are full of it.
My even older Kawai ES3 with Advanced-Hammer-Action-3 was about 25 to 104 (ppp to fff).
My guess is most manufacturers don't want to invest in a good calibration of their keyboards (full range, linear velocity 0 - 127, each of the 88 keys). The accuracy of the cheap silicone/graphite contacts and mechanism is too low for consistent velocity.

It is easier for them to leave "headroom" by using just 80 values somewhere in between for example. And let others do the work of calibration, e.g. us lucky Pianoteq users by adjusting velocity curves and even single keys individually ...

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Re: Minimum playable MIDI signal achieved??

on my KX88 i can only get a 15 on the bottom end.  usually i don't find it to be a problem, since i can just cut the velocity curve off at 15.  but it would be nice to have a keyboard with a wider range of velocities (and one that doesn't require a hand truck to take to gigs).  however the KX88 seems indestructible and will probably outlive me.

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Re: Minimum playable MIDI signal achieved??

I am getting 8 - but it's more likely when aiming for 8, that my not-perfect playing gives me often between 10 and 15.

Here's a velocity curve I like for low velocity playing - if you copy and paste it into the pane, you'll notice I've lowered the left side of the curve so I get a less than "pp" range at 25 velocity..

Velocity = [0, 17, 25, 79, 92, 116, 123; 3, 4, 11, 72, 93, 117, 127]

Just alter this, and you can make it so your desired low velocity range works better on your keyboard. Hope this helps - I know I took too many years before taking time to work out these things and not worry about 'perfect' curves which don't really work the way I used to think

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Re: Minimum playable MIDI signal achieved??

Hi All,

Since I'm not being able to get less than 25 while softly playing complete passages (I can hardly ahieve less values when individually stroke but not playable at all), I wondered what you guys getting from your controllers when trying to play pianissimo?

My pianos is a Kawai CA97 (GF2) and while I can get pianissimo through the onboard sounds, I cannot get the pianissimo signal through MIDI, even playing as softly in both cases.

Also, adjusting the velocity curve so I get the complete dynamic range, doesn't result in a pleasing playing experience, despite getting the whole range
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