Topic: Newbie questions by experienced PianoTeq Novice

Hi All,

I have played around with the demo and its impressive. I will be taking the plunge today I expect, but would like the advice of experienced painoteq players as to what instruments ot piurchase.
Currently I am playing a Roland 700NX and my goto is the Classical grand. I am looking forv something similar. Something crisop, with clarity, a good high end with good sustain on high register and a bass with clarity not too muddy. Soemthnig capable of boldness but also capable of sensitive ppp passages.

I think this is some kind of concert style piano.

Kind of impressed by the Petrof and the Steinway D

So many presets its hard to audition them all and first impressions are not the same as love

What would experienced users suggest, thanks?

Also one additional question, teh demo has a toggle on teh sustain, are all pianos capable of graduatedv sustains?

Z

Last edited by ZeroZero (27-02-2021 12:45)

Re: Newbie questions by experienced PianoTeq Novice

ZeroZero wrote:

Hi All,

I have played around with the demo and its impressive. I will be taking the plunge today I expect, but would like the advice of experienced painoteq players as to what instruments ot piurchase.
Currently I am playing a Roland 700NX and my goto is the Classical grand. I am looking forv something similar. Something crisop, with clarity, a good high end with good sustain on high register and a bass with clarity not too muddy. Soemthnig capable of boldness but also capable of sensitive ppp passages.

I think this is some kind of concert style piano.

Kind of impressed by the Petrof and the Steinway D

So many presets its hard to audition them all and first impressions are not the same as love

What would experienced users suggest, thanks?

Also one additional question, teh demo has a toggle on teh sustain, are all pianos capable of graduatedv sustains?

Z

The D pack is a no brainer, highly expressive, whether it is gentle piano, mezzo or Forte and between both versions more presets than anything else.
The Steinways are the most common concert pianos in classical music, there's no real contest in the real world.
The  D the most recent piano at the time of writing (guessing more grand pianos coming this year). If I was starting fresh with pianoteq I would get the D pack and the electric piano pack for contrast.


When you choose your piano pack you can also download the excellent freebies:
https://www.modartt.com/free_stuff

Amongst these there is the fine 1920s Pleyel and Errard freebies. The Pleyel sounds lovely but easy (on its own) to bottom out for a hard forte sound (not much dynamic range compared to more powerful modern grands I guess?).
In Standard I have blended the Errard and Pleyel to create a new model, I have put this in the FXP Corner on this forum. Have a play with that too (and your own blends). I prefer that blend to either the real Pleyel or Errard models.
Pianoteq 7 Standard and Pro make this kind of blending easy, even for someone like me.

So if you bought the D pack you already have immediate access to four proper Pianoteq grand piano models even if you only bought Stage
.
Get Standard and you can dramatically change the sound of all the presets just by adjusting microphone type/positions/delay etc. That's before you get to EQ, FX, morphing and per key adjustment (for the hardcore users).

As for graduated sustain someone else whose a proper pianist with a better keyboard will probably answer that one for you.

Re: Newbie questions by experienced PianoTeq Novice

All pianos have a progressive sustain pedal not an on-off switch. So all kinds of gradations are possible (half pedal or even more or less than that) provided that you have a progressive sustain pedal input as well.
As for pianos it's hard to suggest something because it comes down to taste. IMHO your selection is very good already because it provides you with a jack of all trades (Steinway) and a more colorful variant of a grand piano (A.Petrof).

"And live to be the show and gaze o' the time."  (William Shakespeare)

Re: Newbie questions by experienced PianoTeq Novice

ZeroZero wrote:

Hi All,

I have played around with the demo and its impressive. I will be taking the plunge today I expect, but would like the advice of experienced painoteq players as to what instruments ot piurchase.
Currently I am playing a Roland 700NX and my goto is the Classical grand. I am looking forv something similar. Something crisop, with clarity, a good high end with good sustain on high register and a bass with clarity not too muddy. Soemthnig capable of boldness but also capable of sensitive ppp passages.

I think this is some kind of concert style piano.

Kind of impressed by the Petrof and the Steinway D

So many presets its hard to audition them all and first impressions are not the same as love

What would experienced users suggest, thanks?

Also one additional question, teh demo has a toggle on teh sustain, are all pianos capable of graduatedv sustains?

Z

If you like the Steinway D and the Petrof why not go for them, they’re both excellent choices. My personal favourites are the Steinway B and the Petrof. To me, those instruments give me the greatest playing experience and they complement each other perfectly, the Petrof for it’s clarity, great sustain and expressive midrange  and the Steinway B for a more intimate playing experience and beautiful tone.

Last edited by johanibraaten (27-02-2021 15:48)

Re: Newbie questions by experienced PianoTeq Novice

Everyone has their own favorite piano models. My current favorites are the Steinway D's, the C. Bechstein and the Steingraeber, but all of them sound great and it's up to your personal taste.

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Re: Newbie questions by experienced PianoTeq Novice

I have an RD-300GX.  It doesn't have a Classical Grand; the Roland voice I used almost exclusively before I got Pianoteq is called "Grand RD."

This is pure opinion... but to my ears and playing style, after the Steinway D the most versatile Pianoteq model is the C. Bechstein.  The Steinways (D and B) have a beautiful, sweet mid-upper register for melodies (about C5-A6 for the D and C4-A5 for the B).  The Bechstein works better for lush, chordal material, especially in the "vocal" range (D2-G5 or so).  The Steinways seem to have so many harmonics that when there are lots of notes and a heavy foot on the pedal, the sound gets a little "conflicted."  The Bechstein blends very nicely, and also has a large-feeling sustain -- it's easy to get a lush, rich carpet of sound for backing up a voice or other instrument.  Melodies, though, just sing on the Steinways.

I started with the Steinway D, the C. Bechstein and the YC-5.  Over the course of a year and a half I wound up adding the two electric piano packs, the Ant. Petrof, the Blüthner and the Steinway B.  They all have their charms.  I do like the Ant. Petrof for certain things -- I can't describe what they are, I can't always predict which piano I will like for what until I try it -- but I don't use any of the others as much as the Steinway D (Hamburg) and the Bechstein.  The Petrof, to my ears, has more character, warmth and sweetness than the Bechstein, but not as much as the Steinways; and it has less ability to support lush, full chords than the Bechstein, but it can handle more thickness than the Steinways without the notes seeming to fight with one another.

Despite having played for around 55 years, I am not a highly accomplished piano player, and not very familiar with classical piano literature, so take that into account when deciding whether to give the above opinions any weight at all.  ;-)

Re: Newbie questions by experienced PianoTeq Novice

As others have said here, it's a matter of taste and in some ways like going into a bakery and choosing some great desserts. Being like a kid in a candy store, I went for Standard right off, got a bunch of pianos and then got more later on. It's not like you can't get others later if you want, besides, they are pretty inexpensive considering all the work that goes into the modeling of these fine instruments.

The NY Steinway D, Classical Recording, is that, well, classic Steinway sound that we know very well from all the great recordings and concerts. The tone, being American, is rounder and plain-sounding but in that typical Steinway way, whereas the European Hamburg Steinway is clearer and brighter, which is typical of the European pianos.

The other pianos have their own personalities and qualities with some being closer and more intimate, while others are brighter and bolder. Of all the pianos, The Grotrian Royal is my least favorite, and much like the Grotrian I played at a friend's house a number of years ago. Being very plain, however, it's a good starting point if you want to play around with other features found in Standard and Pro such as the layering where you can take two or more different pianos and combine them. I did that with the two Steinway models and the sound is unreal. It took a bit of tweaking, but I got a NY sound with the clarity of the European pianos.

Now I do recommend the free stuff such as the antique pianos as well as the other antique piano collections for purchase. These are quite different, yet very familiar at the same time. Having played real ones, I was quite impressed with the sound and I find myself playing the music for the period on the piano much like what is done at a piano museum I frequent. Chopin on the early Pleyel or Erard, Schumann on the 1850s Streicher, etc.

I hope this helps a bit.

Re: Newbie questions by experienced PianoTeq Novice

personally i started with the Steinway and the Bluethner back in the days of ptq 5, but over time i ended up buying all the acoustic pianos.  they are all so different and each is beautiful in its own way.  absolutely no regrets