Topic: Individual key dynamics

Hello,
I was recently told that in the 'PianoTeq Standard' I can preset the volume for each individual piano key.
I am considering upgrading for that sole purpose, but I wanted to know more about it. Is the unit of change
in single decibles/ or can it be more exact such as 0.1 Decible? is it by Percentage?
I am interested in this option because when it plays back my midis, the lower notes are always too soft.

Thanks!

Re: Individual key dynamics

It's in dB, single decibel precision (no fractions).

Hard work and guts!

Re: Individual key dynamics

Allx02 wrote:

I am interested in this option because when it plays back my midis, the lower notes are always too soft.

It's not clear from this that your problem is velocity and would be addressed by using the note editor function like you propose.

First of all, what are you comparing the playback to ?

Are the midi files recorded with Pianoteq ?

Are you playing them back through the same device (e.e. speakers, headphones) that you are comparing them to ?

Do you have a velocity curve set in Pianoteq ?  Is it active when you playback recorded midis ?  Does your keyboard itself have a velocity curve set ?

StephenG

Re: Individual key dynamics

khaldrogo wrote:

PianoTeq standard
Hello,
  In the PianoTeq standard I can preset the volume for each individual piano key.
I am considering upgrading for that sole purpose, but I want to know more about it. Unit of change
in single / decible or can be more accurate such as 0.1 Decible? Is it equal to Percent?
I am interested in this option because when it plays back my midis, the lower notes are always too soft.

Thanks!

Your basic assumption of the cause is wrong.The forum needs more information.

I am convinced that what you are describing is absolutely nothing to do with a lack of incredibly fine fractions of decibel adjustments in the Standard edition.
Look elsewhere.

Re: Individual key dynamics

Hey Keys, that post #4 above you, by 'khaldrogo' is almost 100% copy/paste from the originating posted question.

Seems to have happened a few times lately. (Gilles spotted one a few days back too I saw the other day-ish).

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Re: Individual key dynamics

I'd look at microphone placement (in Standard) or Hammer Hardness (in Standard) first.  Bass boost in the EQ in Stage/Standard may also help.

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Re: Individual key dynamics

Allx02 wrote:

I am interested in this option because when it plays back my midis, the lower notes are always too soft.

Apart from taking into account the useful things said/suggested in the previous comments, you can download the trial version of PT Standard (for free) and try everything out before upgrading. Installing it won't overwrite your present Stage version; they'll live side by side in your applications folder. Once installed, you'll find a button labeled 'note edit' in the upper right corner.

Last edited by thiesdewaard (24-02-2021 21:38)

Re: Individual key dynamics

Qexl wrote:

Hey Keys, that post #4 above you, by 'khaldrogo' is almost 100% copy/paste from the originating posted question.

Seems to have happened a few times lately. (Gilles spotted one a few days back too I saw the other day-ish).

Cheers for the heads up Qexl,
Automated trolling?
Yes I see a number of small changes, how odd. Maybe they use software algorithms to change the posts in subtle ways - Grammarly or something?

Re: Individual key dynamics

I like the idea of some more fractional settings for more controls where possible. With each new decimal place though, the CPU could be at issue I'm guessing.

No worries @Key Fumbler - reported it and with thanks @moderators for the quick action!
Spammers are the worst.

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Re: Individual key dynamics

I'm confused... I see now that the topic was two years old, hadn't noticed that when I replied. Am I to understand that this 'khaldrogo' person copied the original message two years later, changed a few words (for the grammatical worse) and than posted it right back in the same thread? What is even the purpose of doing that?

Re: Individual key dynamics

Hi thiesdewaard, no need to be alarmed but yes, you're basically right.

It wasn't just someone reviving an old thread but a type of pre-attack test run spam (which was reported as soon as I saw it - I've seen it many times in my time with websites I've been responsible for).

It's nuts - and we all are likely to fall for this at some time. (I rarely think to check if a thread is old - nobody does that usually). And it doesn't have to be an old thread - could just be any thread.

But as Key Fumbler mentioned, this one could have been automated in that, some program may have searched for some ordinary text 'anywhere' in the forum (possibly relating to a keyword - for yet unknown reasons) and then copy/pasted it.. and maybe the spammers take note of which forum members reply, or how long the moderators leave up the posting - all kinds of things (data) which I'll give a few outlines about below, since it is so strange.

Feel assured though, that neither you, nor any of us members did anything wrong here, except the spammer(s).

Details below because it's kind of fascinating if you haven't come across this kind of thing before.


BTW thought, there's no harm for readers now, nor in the first instance, and esp. since the post was deleted - maybe also the account - so they're unlikely to be able to post links or any other phishing scams now (thanks to fast action by the good mods).

While it's strange for an old thread to be brought back to life with some copy/pasted text or other ordinary looking post - it's often just a spammer (person or group) trying to establish a "normal" account with posting privileges. It can sit un-used for any given time.

One variation, or trick is, that some time later (hours/days.. years even) they return to any number of these accounts to massively post numerous threads filled with scammy/spammy links to total junk (often illegal and vile, other spammers' seedy offerings or trackers to try to phish people etc.).

It could just be done one by one by singular people for their own stupid spam 'business' or working for a spam group - and all these 'normal' looking accounts can even be bundled up in lists for example, in lots of many thousands and sold on to other spammers who are buying lists for 'easy' ways to then automate mass spamming attacks to all those accounts across many forums. In sales, it's a "pre-qualified customer list" - in spam-land it's "sitting duck target list".

Some low-level hacks pay some poor unfortunate or stupid people something like 1 cent per "clean account" they create (so these poor saps spend all day and night for weeks/months trying to earn money they couldn't get otherwise in their hard situation), then the irredeemable 'boss' can then sell those lists for astoundingly more per acct. to many other crumbs. They may have lists for all kinds of industries, interests etc.. just like pay-per-click advertising.

Alternatively, and not something you'd want to believe - but it's a small possibility that some crazy person who thinks they are a competitor of Pianoteq may have hired an "SEO" (search engine optimization) company/person, specifically to attack this forum (to lower the search page ranking esp. if they succeed in flooding the whole forum with junk using maybe many other 'normal' accounts they set up even some months ago).

Some people hiring SEO firms may not know that their outsourced SEO team may engage in this kind of "Negative SEO" practice, without consent it's possible too - A competitor who hired these guys can say "We didn't know our SEO team would be doing such a thing - I'm shocked, shocked!". Plausible deniability.

But we'll not likely find out which of those it may have been, unless the other suspicious recent copy/paste postings also have similar network details in the forum log files maybe. I'd recommend the Modartt people check in case it can be shown that other accounts are linked (by I.P. address and other fingerprints etc.).

It's all crazy stuff - and it's nuts that it happens but for readers, there's usually not so much danger if these accounts are stopped before they are 'used' to post links.

I've noticed over lots of years running websites that innocent posts can suddenly begin to be "edited" later too, to add scammy links into the text... you hardly see it as a normal reader.. but it's not that they need people to see the link, or click them, IF the goal is to send "Negative SEO" signals to for example Google. Search engine indexing robots DO see these links and can heavily punish the search listing ranking if a site is peppered with this kind of petty nonsense spam.

It's also possible that some strange person just likes doing it as a hobby - to waste the time of people like Niclas who have better things to be doing. Checking logs for matches of existing users can expose those pretty instantly.

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Re: Individual key dynamics

Yes, well said Qexl. These are annoying and occur in another forum I belong to. Another trick these bots have is to copy the text from another forum post and start a new post. The moderator on that forum is sharp and picks up on them right away and locks the topic along with banning the bot-user.

Like here, however, the topics get repeated due to the poor searching capabilities of the forum software and the sheer number of topics daily, so an ancient topic will from time-to-time float to the top and post to it before someone notices the similarity in the wording.

These bots are annoying at the least, but could be worse if there is a spam link within the post as you said. As always, never click on those links because who knows what kind of havoc can be wrought from the other end.

In the other forum, if someone comes across one of these bot-user-generated posts, the post is reported and a reply is placed saying reported!

Re: Individual key dynamics

jcitron wrote:

These bots are annoying at the least, but could be worse if there is a spam link within the post as you said. As always, never click on those links because who knows what kind of havoc can be wrought from the other end.

Absolutely - well said. Certainly I should have stated that not clicking those links is the utmost best advice.

jcitron wrote:

In the other forum, if someone comes across one of these bot-user-generated posts, the post is reported and a reply is placed saying reported!

Strangely enough, on another thread within 24hrs, a copy-paste type one was edited to add some such links and I reported it as you mention - and it was quickly removed.

Sorry that some non-useful persons made use of a tactic like that here - it's good this forum is so good with these kinds of tricks that we mostly don't see them at all.

Cheers to all.

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Re: Individual key dynamics

Qexl wrote:

Hi thiesdewaard, no need to be alarmed but yes, you're basically right.

Thank you Qexl for your very thorough explanation! The shrewdness of the invisible creatures inhabiting the internet never ceases to amaze me ;-)