Topic: Notes not all coming down together

Hi all,

I have a Casio PX-S1000 using Pianoteq 7 stage. I've noticed when using Pianoteq with this keyboard, playing chords at exactly the same time is difficult. I'm not sure if this is a MIDI related problem or the sensors in the keyboard. You can see a bit of this happening in this video: https://youtu.be/Ur-iomnyGFk

If I'm really deliberate about playing everything precisely together it works but I don't think I should have to do this. When playing with the inbuilt sounds of the keyboard everything is fine.

Is there anything I could tweak in Pianoteq to overcome this limitation?

Thanks in advance.

Re: Notes not all coming down together

It sounds as if you have a latency issue. You want to make sure that you have optimised settings in either ASIO or WASAPI drivers and settings in Pianoteq.

https://forum.modartt.com/viewtopic.php...for%20me).

Re: Notes not all coming down together

I think a large latency should not lead to simultaneously pressed keys being processed at different times.
As far as I've understood, there is a MIDI limitation for this, as only one note can be transmitted at a time. So there is always a very small "glissando" when large chords are pressed. However this delay is so small that almost no normal human should be able to notice it, and it would only have an effect for notes that are pressend VERY exactly at the same time.
If I had this problem, I would suspect my imperfect finger coordination for not pressing the notes exactly enough.

Re: Notes not all coming down together

Key Fumbler wrote:

It sounds as if you have a latency issue. You want to make sure that you have optimised settings in either ASIO or WASAPI drivers and settings in Pianoteq.

https://forum.modartt.com/viewtopic.php...for%20me).

Does this apply to a Mac?

Re: Notes not all coming down together

contrabourdon wrote:
Key Fumbler wrote:

It sounds as if you have a latency issue. You want to make sure that you have optimised settings in either ASIO or WASAPI drivers and settings in Pianoteq.

https://forum.modartt.com/viewtopic.php...for%20me).

Does this apply to a Mac?

WASAPI is for Windows.

Try:
https://support.native-instruments.com/...Processing


Lord Nelson wrote:

I think a large latency should not lead to simultaneously pressed keys being processed at different times.

I agree, if that's what is happening.

Re: Notes not all coming down together

I think it could be a "MIDI loop" issue, please check...

Re: Notes not all coming down together

Key Fumbler wrote:
contrabourdon wrote:
Key Fumbler wrote:

It sounds as if you have a latency issue. You want to make sure that you have optimised settings in either ASIO or WASAPI drivers and settings in Pianoteq.

https://forum.modartt.com/viewtopic.php...for%20me).

Does this apply to a Mac?

WASAPI is for Windows.

Try:
https://support.native-instruments.com/...Processing


Lord Nelson wrote:

I think a large latency should not lead to simultaneously pressed keys being processed at different times.

I agree, if that's what is happening.

Lowering the audio buffer size from 512 to 256 seemed to help! Will do some more testing.

Re: Notes not all coming down together

this has been driving me nuts in pianoteq7 - I'm back on Pianoteq6 to see if that's any better because I dont remember it happening before (and it sounds the same to me *duck* )

Re: Notes not all coming down together

You might also check the Pianoteq Options-->MIDI to see if Pianoteq is receiving many duplicate MIDI entries, instead of just one note-on / note-off for each distinct note played.

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Re: Notes not all coming down together

I don't have that issue between ver. 6 & 7 - not sure it's commonly experienced (would like to know if others feel this - could be there's a little less latency from my basic observations TBH) - quite a few others I know using 7 have not encountered this.

I'd be inclined to first attack it as a latency issue.

MIDI notes lined up perfectly in a DAW is outputting more notes than we have fingers in exact timings in testing - so it's not about Pianoteq not being able to fire multiple notes all at once perhaps. Unless the Casio keyboard is not able to send those notes without triggering some glissandi or the internal audio processing has some limitation.

Trying out different buffer sizes (in Pianoteq settings/devices panel) would be a quick path to finding if lower or higher latency helps with realism which may help with perception/accuracy of simultaneous fingering.

Coincidentally was just exchanging notes about the positive value of higher latency for piano realism with others today - certainly don't be afraid of trying higher latency.

Often the goal of zero is not the kindest to the sense of a real piano action. My onboard hardware is fast, so I like to see up to 20ms latency in the Pianoteq interface to give more physical accuracy to playing. YMMV - and a buffer giving 5ms might feel way better than one giving 1.3 or something quite low. I can get 1.3 at 64 buffer size.. but it feels crazy like a synth, and really throws my timing off the boat

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