Topic: Pianoteq 7: A Big Leap Forward with Layers
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What a beautiful playing and sound! Thank you Irmin for posting.
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Nice, but he made a mistake (in 13:09) when he assumed pianoteq was designed for low latency and as result low latency, according hin, this would mean less details. This it's only true if you have lower computer CPU and need to use polyphony restriction settings.
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Beto-Music wrote:
Nice, but he made a mistake when he assumed pianoteq was designed for low latency and as result low latency, according hin, this would mean less details. This it's only true if you have lower comuter CPU and need to use polyphony restriction settings.
I've always assumed that Pianoteq was skillfully designed to be a superb compromise in terms of low latency performance for the average home PC's processing power.
I have little doubt that they could do even better in terms of sonic realism if the sounds didn't even have to be rendered in real-time.
They've been at it for several years now, but in a relatively short time the evolution of this product has been very, very impressive. They have skillfully walked the line to achieve sound that is virtually indistinguishable from the real thing, and often is indistinguishable from the real thing whilst simultaneously being one of the most playable virtual instrument vst in existence.
Even so I'm glad there isn't a offline rendering mode. To me that wouldn't feel right for Pianoteq, because I want it to be absolutely optimised completely around the absolutely best sound it can possibly produce as a playable instrument.
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I know it was also designed for low latency. The mistake I tried to point it's about the judgement that low latency would always reduce quality. Maybe I should had expressed better.
I think a offline rendering to get more realism (evem closer to real than already its) would require much new propraming, creation of new algorithms for soundboards and strings. Pianoteq it's based in a technology of reduce equation, eliminating the characteristic in common, to reduce computing time. Without it a complete modelled of a piano, without such special equations, would take days of processing to get just a single note.
But it's nice to think about a pianoteq "Pro Magic" version, designed to people with the latest computer processing power. Imagine what pianoteq could do if designed to a i9 9900K or even to a Ryzen Threadripper™ 3970X (32 cores).
Key Fumbler wrote:
Beto-Music wrote:Nice, but he made a mistake when he assumed pianoteq was designed for low latency and as result low latency, according hin, this would mean less details. This it's only true if you have lower comuter CPU and need to use polyphony restriction settings.
I've always assumed that Pianoteq was skillfully designed to be a superb compromise in terms of low latency performance for the average home PC's processing power.
I have little doubt that they could do even better in terms of sonic realism if the sounds didn't even have to be rendered in real-time.
They've been at it for several years now, but in a relatively short time the evolution of this product has been very, very impressive. They have skillfully walked the line to achieve sound that is virtually indistinguishable from the real thing, and often is indistinguishable from the real thing whilst simultaneously being one of the most playable virtual instrument vst in existence.Even so I'm glad there isn't a offline rendering mode. To me that wouldn't feel right for Pianoteq, because I want it to be absolutely optimised completely around the absolutely best sound it can possibly produce as a playable instrument.
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Beto-Music wrote:
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But it's nice to think about a pianoteq "Pro Magic" version, designed to people with the latest computer processing power. Imagine what pianoteq could do if designed to a i9 9900K or even to a Ryzen Threadripper™ 3970X (32 cores).
I wouldn't be at all surprised if Modartt have these kinds of internal debates.
From a marketing perspective and general customer satisfaction I don't think it would be wise to go down that path. It would probably get pushed by gear snobs like the difference was night and day (even if it wasn't) by the Gearslutz forum types. I can imagine the "I cannot abide the sound of the ordinary mode, it just sounds like plastic to me" from people that wouldn't actually be comfortable attempting to distinguish them in a double blind test, but the damage would be done, the public would read these comments and believe that.
Wealthy hardware snobs (and possibly even rival software houses with sample piano libraries) would be saying you need a £900 CPU if you take Pianoteq seriously and want to run it properly, blah blah..
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He's looking for a more straightforward piano sound, so maybe the YC5 would be to his liking. He also suggests adding pads, though I guess this is not a Pianoteq (model) thing. Finally, he would like more in-depth effects, but those are easily added in a DAW. Nice playing nonetheless, and thanks for the presets.
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