Interested to know what people here think of ideal instruments for morphing and/or layering.
Particularly those KIViR-instruments may blend well.
I'm thinking NY Steinway D / CP-80 (from KIViR).
For starters. Any suggestions?
So far, I've only tried morphing acoustic grands, but I got very interesting results using Steinway B as a starter. There is something about the clarity of its higher octaves that I like to bring to other grands, particularly Steingraeber and Bluethner, which both bring a more solid mid and bass to the B when morphed in between 25 and 50%.
Interested to know what people here think of ideal instruments for morphing and/or layering.
Particularly those KIViR-instruments may blend well.
I'm thinking NY Steinway D / CP-80 (from KIViR).
For starters. Any suggestions?
Great question - and that sounds like a great combination to me. Looking forward to what comes from it all.
There's a lot to digest with the new tools but to me, this can't be overlooked..
Transpose a layer or two! to get something cheeky like a pretend 12 string piano (or harmonies - or for microtonal works, could be fascinating with transposing for effect - setting that up to MIDI control.. pedal to toggle harmony - AH! That's not something I've tried yet - but way out possibilities everywhere).
Or staying a little more firmly in realism with the older pianos..
Using the same instrument for all 3 layers with different tweaks and reverb settings mostly so far but have had a few multi-instrument experiments which have been promising.
Going a little further into new pianos inspired by real pianos, here's the first thing which came to mind for 2 era pianos - almost any of these for a main layer. I like quite a few of those older ones like the Square pianos along with the Neupert clavichord (with that bebung!) for a second layer.. tampering with hammer and various things.. it's giving me something 'nearing' one of my fav Iberian piano.
Tried transposing down the clav, and added the old Besendorfer transposed up 12.
Different reverb and settings for each (layer 1 normal-ish.. layer 2 short everything for the close clav (cabinet kind of tweaks), and longer singing higher strings low in mix). Kind of dreamy sounds inspired by the lone instruments - found this highly absorbing.
This is addictive - so much creativity is going to come from these new tools.
Yeah agree @aWc - the Steinway B and others mentioned - lovely tones.
Today I'm diving into a Steinway D and Bluthner morph - really liking this combo.
Rather enjoying the Bluethner chamber AB 60% (top) with the Ant.Petrof 40% (bottom) blended with 70% morphing. Crispy clear piano.
The Luthéal
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luth%C3%A9al
You merge a piano of your choice, a harpsichord of your choice, 1 octave transposition, and Concert Harp and mix each using MIDI to 80% to emulate the stop knobs of a Luthéal.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5VpzwrTkfI
(I did Erard 1922 + Blanchet Harpsichord + Concert Harp to fit what Ravel would likely have used, but I can't get an FXP uploaded to the corner--there's a section for PTQ 7 but it's not accepting files and I also don't know if the morphing is fully shareable yet.)
The only tricks with it right now are that the harp doesn't damper when morphed with the piano or harpsichord and when morphing, I can't seem to layer and break it into treble and bass sections like the original can (but that could just be me being new to the interface).
Such great ideas, thanks guys.
Here’s another fine example:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qUSituzkDcQ
Good illustrative video, thanks Fleer.
Good illustrative video, thanks Fleer.
You’re very welcome, as always, dear Qexl.
By the way, I hope we get more morphing fxp examples in the FXP Corner, pushing Pianoteq even further into the future.
Thank you so much Fleer, it's excellent hearing what people are doing with the new tools and astonishing what's now possible.
I'll definitely upload some FXPs I've been enjoying working on soon.
Good illustrative video, thanks Fleer.
This new one’s quite fine as well:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aMabJYzhzCE
Thanks Fleer!
Good combinations realized in Mistheria's vid.
Also, really good to see the Steinway D "New Age" preset used in that way.. it's a fantastic basis for room filling pad-like layering IMHO (as well as a gorgeous preset by itself - I believe Niclas has much credit in the New Age preset's creation).
Indeed, that “New Age” preset is marvelous.
Yeah, really exceptional - low velocities give such resonant depth. One of the presets I really enjoy turning up volume, and playing softly.
I find the percussion instruments very interesting to morph together. Here are two examples: the first one, appropriate for the season, is the "Toy Symphony" rendered with a static morphing of 8 instruments: Kalimba, Toy Piano, Marimba, Glockenspiel, Xylophone, Celesta and both Vibraphones, all with extended range of course. The MIDI file is a sequenced orchestral arrangement but Pianoteq takes it all in...
Toy Symphony: https://forum.modartt.com/uploads.php?f...mphony.mp3
Another one is a dynamic one, obtained by moving in real time the slider while listening to the MIDI file. This is a short chorus from the extraordinary St-John Passion by J.S Bach that I had the (difficult) pleasure of singing in the past. It is supposed to depict an angry crowd tearing clothes apart, but for me it has always sounded extremely joyful, like a bunch of people playing with a balloon. I moved the slider so as to simulate the theme being bounced around. Again, I used the Kalimba, Vibraphone and Steel Drum.
Lasset uns den nicht zerteilen: https://forum.modartt.com/uploads.php?f...setUns.mp3
(Here is the real thing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gT0BH0WE6eM )
I wonder what Paul McCartney would do with pianoteq morphing.
Look this last clip, where he used a harpsichord :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2oSmP3GtOBk
And this is not the first time he made a "All McCartneys Band" :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5nzLQ63c9E
He would had won pianoteq context.
Let's call hin to be a member of this forum.
:-)
I find the percussion instruments very interesting to morph together. Here are two examples: the first one, appropriate for the season, is the "Toy Symphony" rendered with a static morphing of 8 instruments: Kalimba, Toy Piano, Marimba, Glockenspiel, Xylophone, Celesta and both Vibraphones, all with extended range of course. The MIDI file is a sequenced orchestral arrangement but Pianoteq takes it all in...
Toy Symphony: https://forum.modartt.com/uploads.php?f...mphony.mp3
Another one is a dynamic one, obtained by moving in real time the slider while listening to the MIDI file. This is a short chorus from the extraordinary St-John Passion by J.S Bach that I had the (difficult) pleasure of singing in the past. It is supposed to depict an angry crowd tearing clothes apart, but for me it has always sounded extremely joyful, like a bunch of people playing with a balloon. I moved the slider so as to simulate the theme being bounced around. Again, I used the Kalimba, Vibraphone and Steel Drum.
Lasset uns den nicht zerteilen: https://forum.modartt.com/uploads.php?f...setUns.mp3
(Here is the real thing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gT0BH0WE6eM )
Wonderful, just wonderful. Thank you, Gilles.
This one really grabbed me - the "Lasset uns den nicht zerteilen" - very alive!
Both beautiful, thank you Gilles! (we do need a thumbs up)
Interesting video... piano with option to harpsichord-like sound.
I have being suggesting this for pianoteq for quite a time, the ability to pluck piano strings and hammer harpsichord strings.
The Luthéal
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luth%C3%A9al
You merge a piano of your choice, a harpsichord of your choice, 1 octave transposition, and Concert Harp and mix each using MIDI to 80% to emulate the stop knobs of a Luthéal.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5VpzwrTkfI
(I did Erard 1922 + Blanchet Harpsichord + Concert Harp to fit what Ravel would likely have used, but I can't get an FXP uploaded to the corner--there's a section for PTQ 7 but it's not accepting files and I also don't know if the morphing is fully shareable yet.)
The only tricks with it right now are that the harp doesn't damper when morphed with the piano or harpsichord and when morphing, I can't seem to layer and break it into treble and bass sections like the original can (but that could just be me being new to the interface).
Now I could open your music file. Very nice.
Maybe it's better to morph some isntruments than creating a mix of many instruments together. Sometimes, for example, a orchestra of percurssio can sound too noisy with many playing at same time. With morphing you got a cleaner result than a percurssion orchestra, and at same time more interesting than a percursion instrument alone, using maybe two or three morphed variants.
I find the percussion instruments very interesting to morph together. Here are two examples: the first one, appropriate for the season, is the "Toy Symphony" rendered with a static morphing of 8 instruments: Kalimba, Toy Piano, Marimba, Glockenspiel, Xylophone, Celesta and both Vibraphones, all with extended range of course. The MIDI file is a sequenced orchestral arrangement but Pianoteq takes it all in...
Toy Symphony: https://forum.modartt.com/uploads.php?f...mphony.mp3